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Old 04-10-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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Why are great internal candidates that interview for a position sometimes passed over for an outside candidate that has less experience and will require a lot more training? I know a lot of people say it’s salary but I know someone who was making less than the outside candidate they hired.

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Old 04-10-2018, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Fresh perspectives.
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Old 04-10-2018, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Why are great internal candidates that interview for a position sometimes passed over for an outside candidate that has less experience and will require a lot more training? I know a lot of people say it’s salary but I know someone who was making less than the outside candidate they hired.
The only person who can answer that question is the one who made the decision.
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Old 04-10-2018, 10:55 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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We have specific salary ranges for every position, so it makes no difference whether inside or outside. Besides, as a hiring manager I want the best person, and don't care about saving money on salary. Many managers will take a less qualified internal person because it takes less training. When I pass up an internal person and go outside it's either because the
outside person is better qualified and a better fit or am aware of some reason(s) that the inside person could be a problem in the future. One disadvantage for an internal candidate is that the hiring manager can talk to the current manager/supervisor. Sometimes that can also work to their advantage, when the current manager gives a "stretched" positive review just to get rid of the person. Just in my group I have hired 6 people in the last few years. Of those, 3 were internal promotions, 3 outside.
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:45 AM
 
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A friend who is an in-house recruiter revealed the dirty secret that the recruiters have a perverse incentive to bring someone in from the outside since that helps the recruiters’ numbers. An internal transfer does not help the numbers. Maybe it’s not that way everywhere, but it is at her employer and I have a feeling that’s the way it works at my employer.
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:47 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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In many cases, organizations do not intend to promote people. What you were hired in for is where you will stay.
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:33 PM
 
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Often times a fresh perspective from someone not l ingrained in company cultural norms is very helpful for a team.
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Old 04-10-2018, 01:03 PM
 
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Why are great internal candidates that interview for a position sometimes passed over for an outside candidate that has less experience and will require a lot more training?
The answer is simple: because they are better candidates.

There have been several times in my experience wherein an internal candidate with experience complained to me how bitter and resentful they were that an alternative got the job. In reality though, after having to work with them and getting to know them, it became clear how limited their skills were.

They really struggled with more abstract parts of the job. They would also have an issue with taking responsibility, and avoided learning about the company or making meaningful relationships. Sometimes they would have a loose mouth. They didn't have the skills necessary to proceed and did not realize it.

So the company did the right thing by hiring someone brand new.
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Old 04-10-2018, 01:13 PM
 
Location: State of Denial
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There's always the problem, too, of the awkwardness when a person who was your "coworker" suddenly becomes your "boss". Some companies hire from outside just to avoid that problem.


Is recently-advanced Sue, who is super good friends with Mary outside work going to give Mary an unbiased job evaluation? Is Bob, who is the new department head and always felt that Tom is a slacker going to be a little harder on him than his other direct reports? Are Mark, Chris and Ava, who always ate lunch with Betty, going to be resentful when Betty, their new supervisor, tells them they're taking too much time for lunch? In an ideal world, no problemo....in the real world, problemo.
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Old 04-10-2018, 03:30 PM
 
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In the past I thought it was a slap in the face when management went outside, but after working in a bad environment...I see why it's often necessary. There was a situation where a manager was late opening the office and nobody else knew what was going on. A line employee (HER direct report, to make matters worse) text her to figure out what was going on and told everyone. I was floored (and so was a contracting supervisor). I would have never done that in front of peers even if my supervisor and I had that type of relationship. But some people have no concept of professional boundaries. Sometimes hiring outside is necessary so there's no baggage. It takes a very professional manager promoting a very professional subordinate to make it work otherwise.
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