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Old 09-15-2018, 05:53 AM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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If a person isn't actively looking for other jobs (spending at least a few hours/week networking, submitting resumes, etc.), they are content where they are.
False, an example of a logical fallacy - specifically, the non causa pro causa fallacy.

Many people stay in jobs with which they are not content because the obstacles to obtaining other employment are insurmountable and the alternative of not working is even worse than bad.
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Old 09-15-2018, 06:49 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Employers are trying to punt more work into less workers with no matching increase in compensation.
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Ding, Ding, we have a winner! Also continually increasing incomes for those at the highest levels (you know, the real "talent", and holding pay and benefits down on the workers on the "front lines".
^^^ All of the above.

It ain't exactly rocket science, people.
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Old 09-15-2018, 08:39 AM
 
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False, an example of a logical fallacy - specifically, the non causa pro causa fallacy.

Many people stay in jobs with which they are not content because the obstacles to obtaining other employment are insurmountable and the alternative of not working is even worse than bad.
Wrong again. There are always options to change. If a person is not even looking for something new, they are content where they are. Almost noone has 'insurmountable' obstacles to other employment. That's just another excuse to justify not trying.

If a person isnt spending at least a few hours per week looking for a new job, educating themselves to gain new skills, or looking for a way to move to a different job market, they are content where they are.

I do agree its easier to blame things outside of our control (like the things you mentioned) than to put the effort into looking for a new job. Anyone not even trying to find something new is, by their actions, content where they are. But that is a good point, maybe I'm wrong. If a person is not happy where they are, and aren't spending any time or effort looking for a new job (or educating themselves and volunteering to get new skills), the reason they are unhappy is that they're lazy.

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Old 09-15-2018, 10:58 AM
 
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In my experience, jobs have become increasingly unpleasant due to additional duties and stressful responsibilities. In many cases, the benefits and salaries do not adequately compensate for any of these drawbacks. After considering all this, you have bullying, disrespect, and gossip in the workplace. In recent years, the happiest people I’ve seen are those who have been able to make a success of their own business. I think it’s the flexibility, ability to call the shots, and reaping the rewards of the profit. The main drawback to a personally owned business is finding affordable health insurance.
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:42 PM
 
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If extra duties/responsibilities actually came with a promotion/hefty pay raise today that would be one thing. However these days it only comes with an “atta boy” or the same crappy 2-3 percent annual raise that even the deadwood gets or “We really need your assistance” guilt trip.

Employers always want something for nothing now. Business always used to be “I scratch your back, you scratch mine”. Now its the employees who are always scratching backs
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:51 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Employers are trying to punt more work into less workers with no matching increase in compensation.
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Ding, Ding, we have a winner! Also continually increasing incomes for those at the highest levels (you know, the real "talent", and holding pay and benefits down on the workers on the "front lines".
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Companies want to keep a revolving door to keep wages low and benefits down. You're basically walking on eggshells every hour of that 40 a week.
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From my experience , once the conpanies lay off people, they expect remaining employees to take on the work, so people are pushed to their breaking point.
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In my experience, jobs have become increasingly unpleasant due to additional duties and stressful responsibilities. In many cases, the benefits and salaries do not adequately compensate for any of these drawbacks. After considering all this, you have bullying, disrespect, and gossip in the workplace. In recent years, the happiest people I’ve seen are those who have been able to make a success of their own business. I think it’s the flexibility, ability to call the shots, and reaping the rewards of the profit. The main drawback to a personally owned business is finding affordable health insurance.
Lots of good posts on this thread. I am quoting these here because I think they identified what I think became the main problem. A worker surplus. And when there is a worker surplus, many companies will take advantage of their employees. Make them work harder, for less benefits, vacation time and pay just to keep what they already have.

It did not get like this overnight. Decades of increasing job productivity, mass immigration of cheap labor, worker efficiency experts and changes in technology, allowed companies to become more picky about their workforce. First to go was the pensions and then they began to cut back on vacation time, medical benefits and 401k matches. If the worker did not like it, he/she could leave, the company will easily find someone else.

Where 3-4 people used to do a job, lets lay some off (usually an "older" worker 40+) and have just 2 people do it from now. The two remaining employees will be overworked and miserable. But, because job competition becomes higher and higher for the fewer remaining good jobs, companies know they can continue to make cutbacks because the remaining employees will do anything to keep their job.

Meanwhile, every time the corporation lays off workers, the stock prices goes up and the Board members and the top officers make a financial killing.
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Old 09-15-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: plano
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If you want a good job, select a place where you can add great value. Unlike socialist economies which fail in due time, you get paid out of the difference between the price and the cost of the product or service sold. Your salary is part of the cost. You get paid more when you add more value to the product sold, value is features or quantities which can be produced by the process. Focus on how you can help your employer produce more and produce more valuable services or products, once you do that and if you do not get paid more for doing so then the stress you face or many duties you must do become worth more until then they are just what happens at work. Nothing special for you nor of any value to anyone.



Wake up
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Old 09-15-2018, 02:57 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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If you want a good job, select a place where you can add great value. Unlike socialist economies which fail in due time, you get paid out of the difference between the price and the cost of the product or service sold. Your salary is part of the cost. You get paid more when you add more value to the product sold, value is features or quantities which can be produced by the process. Focus on how you can help your employer produce more and produce more valuable services or products, once you do that and if you do not get paid more for doing so then the stress you face or many duties you must do become worth more until then they are just what happens at work. Nothing special for you nor of any value to anyone.



Wake up
Which it so easy, find a job where you can add "value" to the company. Great capitalist theory. Socialists can change a few words and they can come up with their own theories as well. I had micro and macro economics and I can say all these theories sound good --- until you get out into the real world.

We live in the time when corporate executives make 200 to 300 times more then their employees, often in some kind of stock bonuses. For many American corporations, it has become all about the short term, about manipulating the stock price of the company so the big shots can make $$$ money rather then thinking long term like say a Japanese company. And if it means laying off workers to make the stock price go up, they will do it, no matter how much "value" the individual employee add.
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Old 09-15-2018, 03:08 PM
 
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Which it so easy, find a job where you can add "value" to the company. Great capitalist theory. Socialists can change a few words and they can come up with their own theories as well. I had micro and macro economics and I can say all these theories sound good --- until you get out into the real world.

We live in the time when corporate executives make 200 to 300 times more then their employees, often in some kind of stock bonuses. For many American corporations, it has become all about the short term, about manipulating the stock price of the company so the big shots can make $$$ money rather then thinking long term like say a Japanese company. And if it means laying off workers to make the stock price go up, they will do it, no matter how much "value" the individual employee add.
The average CEO pay package is around $300k/year, not 300x what an employee makes. The 300x statistic is from the 500 largest public companies in the US only. That number drops to around 70:1 when compared to the 3000 largest public companies, and drops to around $300k/year for CEOs of all companies. Given there are millions of companies in the US, it's strange to use a statistic only relevant to the 500 largest of them.

No one ever said finding a way to add value to a company is easy. That doesn't make it the incorrect thing to do. This is part of the problem, no one gets their dream job by doing what's 'easy'.

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Old 09-15-2018, 03:27 PM
 
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Because modern day management behaves in a manner similar to the plantation owners of the U.S. South of the 1800s.
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