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Old 09-10-2009, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Birmingham
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Purchase a riding lawn mover, a weed eater and a trailer. Drive to an industrial area and approach the companies that need their lawn cut. Tell them you were in the area and thought they may need their grass cut.

My husband did this and he now has a nice side business. At first I thought we wouldn't get much business because immigrants usually do this type work but, we have gotten quite a lot.

Side note: Make sure there is a clear understanding of the work required/needed/wanted.

Give it a shot.
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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I don't care what you say. I would NOT pay thousands and thousands of dollars just to fix a broken leg or arm or whatever. When in other countries around the world these things would cost 10% as much or less.

I couldn't pay that much even if I wanted to. That's like walking up to a bum and demanding that he give you 1000$. He just CAN'T do it. Money doesn't grow on trees for everyone you know.

I never have done this before. I don't have any medical debts. But if I got slapped with a 20K hospital bill for some minor injury, there is NO way I would torture myself for years to pay it down, and basically set my entire financial goals behing by a good 5 years. Absolutely not.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Hate the insurance companies, HMO's, crooked politicians etc. etc. Hate the people at the top. Don't hate the poor people who are just trying to eat and survive! Any of you who would hate on someone like me are obviously blessed with money and don't understand what it's like to be stuck at the bottom right now.

Thank GOD i'm moving out of this country soon.....
1. Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers. Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the United Kingdom and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

2. Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians. Breast cancer mortality in Canada is 9 percent higher than in the United States, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher, and colon cancer among men is about 10 percent higher.

3. Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries. Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit from statin drugs, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease, are taking them. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons, and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

4. Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians. Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate, and colon cancer:

* Nine out of ten middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to fewer than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).

* Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a Pap smear, compared to fewer than 90 percent of Canadians.

* More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a prostatespecific antigen (PSA) test, compared to fewer than one in six Canadians (16 percent).

* Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with fewer than one in twenty Canadians (5 percent).

5. Lower-income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report “excellent” health (11.7 percent) compared to Canadian seniors (5.8 percent). Conversely, white, young Canadian adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower-income Americans to describe their health as “fair or poor.”

6. Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the United Kingdom. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long—sometimes more than a year—to see a specialist, have elective surgery such as hip replacements, or get radiation treatment for cancer. All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada. In Britain, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.

7. People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and British adults say their health system needs either “fundamental change” or “complete rebuilding.”

8. Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the “health care system,” more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared with only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).

9. Americans have better access to important new technologies such as medical imaging than do patients in Canada or Britain. An overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identify computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade—even as economists and policy makers unfamiliar with actual medical practice decry these techniques as wasteful. The United States has thirty-four CT scanners per million Americans, compared to twelve in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has almost twenty-seven MRI machines per million people compared to about six per million in Canada and Britain.

10. Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations. The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other developed country. Since the mid- 1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to U.S. residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. In only five of the past thirty-four years did a scientist living in the United States not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.

Rant all you want but if you really, really get sick you want to be here because we do have the best.

The reason costs are so high is for every patient that pays there are two that do not like along the southern border where hospitals are gong bankrupt being forced to pay medical care for illegal aliens.

In El Paso it is standard practice for Mexican police and criminals to rush the border when wounded in order to receive the worlds best emergency medical care on our side.

The problem isn't with our medical care it's with millions refusing to pay leaving huge tabs for those that do.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:33 PM
 
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1. Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers. Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the United Kingdom and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

2. Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians. Breast cancer mortality in Canada is 9 percent higher than in the United States, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher, and colon cancer among men is about 10 percent higher.

3. Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries. Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit from statin drugs, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease, are taking them. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons, and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

4. Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians. Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate, and colon cancer:

* Nine out of ten middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to fewer than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).

* Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a Pap smear, compared to fewer than 90 percent of Canadians.

* More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a prostatespecific antigen (PSA) test, compared to fewer than one in six Canadians (16 percent).

* Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with fewer than one in twenty Canadians (5 percent).

5. Lower-income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report “excellent” health (11.7 percent) compared to Canadian seniors (5.8 percent). Conversely, white, young Canadian adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower-income Americans to describe their health as “fair or poor.”

6. Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the United Kingdom. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long—sometimes more than a year—to see a specialist, have elective surgery such as hip replacements, or get radiation treatment for cancer. All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada. In Britain, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.

7. People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and British adults say their health system needs either “fundamental change” or “complete rebuilding.”

8. Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the “health care system,” more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared with only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).

9. Americans have better access to important new technologies such as medical imaging than do patients in Canada or Britain. An overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identify computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade—even as economists and policy makers unfamiliar with actual medical practice decry these techniques as wasteful. The United States has thirty-four CT scanners per million Americans, compared to twelve in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has almost twenty-seven MRI machines per million people compared to about six per million in Canada and Britain.

10. Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations. The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other developed country. Since the mid- 1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to U.S. residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. In only five of the past thirty-four years did a scientist living in the United States not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.

Rant all you want but if you really, really get sick you want to be here because we do have the best.

The reason costs are so high is for every patient that pays there are two that do not like along the southern border where hospitals are gong bankrupt being forced to pay medical care for illegal aliens.

In El Paso it is standard practice for Mexican police and criminals to rush the border when wounded in order to receive the worlds best emergency medical care on our side.

The problem isn't with our medical care it's with millions refusing to pay leaving huge tabs for those that do.
These are long term studies. And many of them apply only to those who have healthcare and neglect the entire idea that many people are smply uninsured. And lots of them are statistics about satisfaction rates, rather weak.

They talk about how great US health care is and how satisifed people are. But neglect to mentions the fact that is is ridiculously expensive and millions of Americans are just totally cut off from it.

In the past 5 years, things have gone downhill quick. Expect these numbers to change for the worse.

The fact is. Costs are already far too high for people to pay right now. That's the situation we are in. You can thank the US government for having such laxness along the southern border to fuel our agricultural mega-corporations profits.

If you have good insurance in the US. It is an excellent system. That's obviously not the problem though.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:45 PM
 
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So you admit you would STEAL the service intentionally.



Who says I've got a lot of money? I'm far from rich. I worked two jobs to have enough down to be able to buy my home with an affordable mortgage. I didn't take the easy/loser way out of buying a house I couldn't afford with zero down and then walking away after living there without paying a mortgage for two years. I've mentioned several times how broke I've been in my life. I worked at the worlds crappiest job only because it gave me medical insurance. If I couldn't afford it, I didn't have it. I never stole from anyone, and I went hungry more than once to pay my bills.



And that gives you carte blanche to steal--just because you don't like things the way they are? Does that mean that I can stop paying for my car because I don't like the color of the interior? And we wonder why this country is a mess...
Well, we all have a different philosophies now don't we?

I've had many jobs before too. Crappy, professional, and everything inbetween. I've worked hard most of my life and worked myself through college. But now, I cannot find any work at all in the US, just like many other people.

Even getting the lowliest of jobs is incredibly challenging right now. A job with good health insurance? Forget about that.

The fact is, the Bush era has really screwed the US. You cannot compare 5 years ago to today. Things are different now, the system is starting to totally break down in ways that it was not just 5 years ago.

A lot of people seriously just do not understand what is going on right now. Just in the past 2 years. Things have seriously broke down. But many people are not quite understanding the magnitude of it yet because in their own lives, things have stayed just about the same.

I do not think it is "stealing" to get necessary health care. That's like getting mad at a kid who is starving to death for stealing a loaf of bread. It's just survival. But that's my philosophy. You obviously see health care as a service that we all must pay big money for, just like a hotel room, a new TV, or a gym membership.

Check out the real situation man. The system is breaking down. And you aren't at the bottom getting screwed so you should feel lucky. But lots of Americans aren't so lucky.
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:08 PM
 
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Well, I work in healthcare. And I don't work for nothing. No one does. So what is "reasonable" costs? I don't know.
A lawyer/RN I know has a very reasoned argument for tort reform being critical to lowering costs.
I believe, in reality, if the OP showed up at an ER with a broken leg or something of that nature, he'd be put into state Medicaid due to low/lack of income, whether he liked it or not, so the hospital could be paid for the work done.
My father had a heart attack at 75 and had never filed for Soc. Security or Medicare. The social work department and bililng informed him that they *would* be putting him in, whether he liked it or not, for two weeks of cardiac care. What's a "reasonable" cost? Once a critical number of people had insurance, costs could go up, and other people could no longer opt out. (Same with student loans and college costs, I think). I do think most would agree that saving up your dollars for a hospital birth in 1935 was a bit different than the care and procedures available now, and then there's the lack of tort reform- the docs/hospitals have to do certain things (esp. in obstetrics) or risk astonishing lawsuits.
It's just not a simple thing.
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Outside of Los Angeles
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Well, you do understand that a lot of us cannot find a good company to work for for whatever reason?

Read the threads. People are struggling and desperate. There are not enough good jobs out there to go around. Do you not understand that?

Most people who are fortunate, are cold and unsympathetic to those less fortunate.

There are about 150 million Americans in the work force I believe. Do you honestly believe there are high paying jobs out there for all of these people? Let me answer that for you, nope, there are not.

There are a lot of people out there getting by on 6 or 7 dollars an hour, and that is how it always will be. The US economy is built on services and consumerism. So the bulk of the jobs here are low paying.

These people cannot just pay a $20,000 bill like some spoiled yuppie can.

Reality check. Sometimes you have to put your ethics aside and just look at reality from a purely logical standpoint.
I have to tell you this post is so true and well written! The average American is so ignorant that they they don't even know what's going on. They'd rather live in their own little world, watch CNN or some other news channel and drink beer all day. Obviously, not every person in this country is like that but there are lots of ignorant people who believe everything the news tells them.
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Old 09-20-2009, 09:00 PM
 
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i'd love to be a dog walker and an errand runner for old people. maybe repair jewelry on the side. i've been told i should be a life coach, so i'd like to get paid for that if i could too.
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Old 09-20-2009, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Get loans, go back to school, be a doctor, and charge $20 to heal broken legs for others. Problem solved!
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Old 09-21-2009, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Stuck in NE GA right now
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What would I LIKE to do? I'd love to be a wildlife photographer...however, in reality after being unemployed for almost 16 months and yes I've done everything to get work, I happen to live in a rural county in NE GA and our unemployment rate is well above the national average.

I'm hoping to sell my place, get a bigger truck and a truck camper with a small utility trailer and move to a state like Colorado where I can take an LPN refresher course and get my nursing license back.

In GA they have no refresher course for nurses who've been out for more than 7 years , they must repeate the whole program, but most other states have a workable program and I did have a license in CO so everyone pray for me that I can make this happen, otherwise, I'll be on the street when my UI runs out.

As to the health insurance delima, I couldn't afford Cobra on 269 a week, so now I'm uninsured. Pryor to that I had some health problems that drove me into debt even with insurance, the 10 and 20% that they didn't cover were enormous. I've never "lived above my means" I have no credit cards and have a very modest mortgage of 349 a month and until my health problems I had no debt except the mortgage...now my credit history is ruined and at 58 soon to be 59 I doubt I'll ever earn enough to repair it.

I only hope that I can make a living wage again and enjoy what life I have left, I'll never get to retire.
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Old 09-22-2009, 01:17 PM
 
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It all comes down to our strategy to survive.
You cannot blame immigrants for taking advantage of us if the possibility is open, they are doing the best possible strategy for survival they can evaluate. Just like insurance payers are doing the best they can if they pay for medical insurance. They will push for lower costs for the insurance, even if it means leaving wounded people on the street, because it's strategically better for them. Likewise the immigrants and financially unfortunate will push for equality and laws saying they should be saved, it's strategically in their best interest.

Game theory.

Solution: Better control population growth, better regulate border control, better regulate education systems, increase technological advancement, increase the need for creativity and creative solutions, create a society bent on innovation and discovery at the top, and bent on self subsistence at the bottom. End result ideally being enough abundance to happily allow everyone to survive in the US, while some having more abundance than others but at least none having poverty. Second goal - do it for the rest of the world.

The main problem is once you have a baby you create another being that can create a huge amount of debt and liability for a government, business (hospital or such), family, etc. OR it can be an innovator and cut costs, invent a way to harness the abundant solar energy, etc etc. What we need is more of the latter in order to survive, and less 'piggy-backers'. I am 19 and while I have some learned smarts it's not enough to create great financial prosperity but also not debt either, so my goal is to raise a child to do that some day, and never let them become a debt or cost to society.

So there's the problem and solution, plain and simple.
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