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Old 05-12-2010, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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The application process has been greatly improved. Now you don't need to spend an entire day applying for a job on usajobs.

Entire article here.

Essay-based job applications are on the way out (5/11/10) -- GovExec.com


I encourage those out of work to go to the site and start applying.

And good luck!
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Old 05-12-2010, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Nah, the fundamental problems with the system were not addressed. Veterans will still block better-qualified non-vets.

There may be something in there to help reach difficult-to-fill candidates and hopefully college seniors (without being blocked by vets) but those remain to be seen.

The only thing that will speed up hiring is yet more blood-sweat-and-tears by HR staff and hiring managers who are often short handed. And often it is the applicant who slows it down, asking for more money or declining for another offer... this will make it easier for the "haves" to get multiple offers and leave HR depts in the lurch.

But the memo reads like the officials at OPM were very weak in representing Gov't hiring and its challenges... shame.

Finally, describing the system as 'arcane' is just not true, if anything it is too modern, forcing old-school types to navigate typically annoying modern systems. You'd be shocked how many 6 figure "pros" cannot do it and have resumes and writing skills at the 9th grade level.
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Old 05-12-2010, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Nah, the fundamental problems with the system were not addressed. Veterans will still block better-qualified non-vets.

There may be something in there to help reach difficult-to-fill candidates and hopefully college seniors (without being blocked by vets) but those remain to be seen.

The only thing that will speed up hiring is yet more blood-sweat-and-tears by HR staff and hiring managers who are often short handed. And often it is the applicant who slows it down, asking for more money or declining for another offer... this will make it easier for the "haves" to get multiple offers and leave HR depts in the lurch.

But the memo reads like the officials at OPM were very weak in representing Gov't hiring and its challenges... shame.

Finally, describing the system as 'arcane' is just not true, if anything it is too modern, forcing old-school types to navigate typically annoying modern systems. You'd be shocked how many 6 figure "pros" cannot do it and have resumes and writing skills at the 9th grade level.
I'm a veteran and have never been able to get a federal job. The system is arcane. You have to navigate through pages and pages of crap that is clearly spelled out in a resume.

The private sector has been using the system for years and it works. The feds make it so difficult, almost impossible, and ask you to fill out an unending list of garbage.

I think that it's a good change; we'll see how it works out for those seeking a federal job. I'm not looking now, but one never knows when they'll be seeking employment.

BTW, veterans should get preferential treatment, IMO. We've served our country and it should be worth something.
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Old 05-12-2010, 06:18 PM
 
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I read the article in WaPo yesterday and was pretty happy to hear it. Its about time the government realized how much they are losing with their archaic hiring process.

The OPM and OMB analyzed the current process and identified The 39 Steps. Isn't it ironic, The 39 Steps also happens to be the name of an Alfred Hitchcock movie.

I mentioned the impending changes to a few people handle applications and hiring for different agencies and they all just snorted and laughed and said 'yeah right'--like they would actually refuse an order from POTUS. From listening to these guys, I'm starting to think this byzantine fed hiring system is just job security for HR and contracting specialists.
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Old 05-12-2010, 06:21 PM
 
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BTW, veterans should get preferential treatment, IMO. We've served our country and it should be worth something.
So have foreign service officers and OFDA/USAID workers and Peace Corps volunteers. Oftentimes risking their lives as well, without the benefit of a kevlar vest. I don't disagree that veterans should get their 5 point bonus. But I don't think they are the only ones.

I also think it is counterproductive to give displaced federal workers preferential points for rehire but not displaced civilian workers. Priority should be given equally, to help the unemployed get back to work, for the good of the nation.
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Old 05-12-2010, 06:52 PM
 
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I could see giving those you list 5 points, if another 5 points was given to veterans.
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Old 05-12-2010, 07:39 PM
 
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I'll believe it when I see the changes put into practice. The federal job listings have extremely long descriptions and require excessive application materials, which deters many people from applying.
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Old 05-13-2010, 09:53 AM
 
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I hope everyone knows about FASCLASS

This is where (for the Army anyway) gets it job description...take those paragraphs and make them yours...then you will have all the key words to get past the system...
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Old 05-13-2010, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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I hope everyone knows about FASCLASS

This is where (for the Army anyway) gets it job description...take those paragraphs and make them yours...then you will have all the key words to get past the system...
And what, fail miserably after being exposed as a fraud in the interview? Key words BTW are used mostly by outside recruiters looking to snipe talent.
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Old 05-13-2010, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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The private sector has been using the system for years and it works. The feds make it so difficult, almost impossible, and ask you to fill out an unending list of garbage.

BTW, veterans should get preferential treatment, IMO. We've served our country and it should be worth something.
Your political leanings infect your posts. The private sector doesn't have a system!! They can hire anyone they want in any manner! Vets have no extra value to the private sector at all BTW. We could return every soldier stateside tomorrow and the private sector would have zero compulsion to hire a single one.

The private sector cares about one thing (money), the Gov't cares about you.
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