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Old 12-09-2015, 05:18 AM
 
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Preposterous propagandistic Kremlin’s samples compromising Ukrainian politicians make part of its pretty reasonable information-propagandistic strategy.
More than for half a year from the day of the Lavrov’s visit to Qatar Kremlin has been seeking to prepare the ground for restoring relations with the West. Meanwhile it hasn’t given up its attempts to malign Ukraine by convincing the Western democracies in the close ties existing between Ukrainian security agencies and ISIS.
Although Turkey has fallen in disfavor of Kremlin propaganda agents for a certain stretch of time (after the day Turkish Air Forces shot Russian bomber SU-24) the main axis of the Russian media slander criticism remain Ukraine. Within this topic Russian propaganda machine is incessantly generating more and more fabulous ideas.
For instance let us recall the “Chechen war veteran” whom appeared to be Ukrainian Prime-Minister Arsenii Iatseniuk and “Anti-aircraft weapon systems vendor to ISIS” who is according to Kremlin propaganda agents’ distorted perception is Ukrainian Minister of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov. The following victim –member of the top brass – targeted by the Russian propaganda machine is the Head of the Foreign Intelligence Service Victor Hvozd. He was called “the major arms supplier for ISIS”. This fake promulgated by the Russian special services within mass media with the view of further spin-off of the topic “Ukraine is involved in arms procurement for the terrorists”.
Considering that current Head of the FSS (unlike the previous one Nikolai Malomuzh who had emerged almost on each Ukrainian TV channel in the capacity of an expert) is far from being a public figure, this target was not picked randomly. Apparently count on the primary Ukrainian intelligence officer refraining from giving any comments regarding at least the absurdity of such charges.
Though we may suppose that it’s only beginning of the large-scale information warfare against Ukraine therefore we should be ready that other governmental bodies would be soon subjected to such attacks. They will be aimed at relating Ukrainian security agents with ISIS. Kremlin needs to compromise Ukrainian security bodies in the opinions of both international community and Ukrainian people in order to decrease the level of international confidence towards Ukraine and exploit this advantage to undermine social-political situation in Ukraine.
It will be a very easy task to carry out within national territory as an average Russian citizen has being exposed for a long time to refined Kremlin’s propaganda cram full of delirious facts about Ukrainian punishers and highly moral Russian troops, about “liberation” of the Russian-speaking people of Ukraine etc.
What may be the ultimate goal of informational and psychological operations? It’s absolutely obvious that Russia aspires to swap places with Ukraine e.g. impose it an image of the political outcast and would do whatever it takes to make it look for the international community as a supporter of terrorism. Putin’s propaganda agents realize that while repeating even the most delusive lie for multiple times media product customers would end up with believing it given that Kremlin has engaged such a powerful resource as “Gasprom-media”.
In terms of Ukraine Kremlin’s behavior is extremely cynic taking into account that Russian propaganda imputes it non-existent relations with ISIS while itself supporting terrorists in the East of Ukraine. So in fact within the framework of its national policy Russia not only supports terrorism but it guides and manages it.
In addition Russia makes even more cynic use of Syrian conflict to denounce Ukraine. Recently Russian special services have submitted information in the mass media about alleged defense sales of the man-portable air defense system and heavy weapon (“Pechora”) to the ISIS guerillas. Presumably this air defense system was redeployed from the Asad controlled territory on that of ISIS in order to later shot down an American or French aircraft and consequently blame Ukraine of selling weapons and supporting terrorism.
It’s clear that Russian propaganda machine conceals Kremlin’s true goals. Due to this reason the main objective of the international community should be countering terrorism supported and financed by Russia. It is inadmissible to forget that Russia is the principal terrorist exporter in the world.
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Old 12-09-2015, 05:25 AM
 
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Not to de-rail the thread but do we never talk about Western Propaganda? They do exist...all around us...
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Old 12-09-2015, 06:25 AM
 
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Not to de-rail the thread but do we never talk about Western Propaganda? They do exist...all around us...
Exactly.

There is American propaganda, British propaganda, so why not Russian propaganda and Chinese propaganda?

The world was convinced that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction by who?

Smart people will analyze everything, and will notice what is just propaganda, and what is important information.
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Old 12-10-2015, 03:49 PM
 
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Exactly.

There is American propaganda, British propaganda, so why not Russian propaganda and Chinese propaganda?

The world was convinced that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction by who?

Smart people will analyze everything, and will notice what is just propaganda, and what is important information.
I'd say its worse in the West because we consume a lot of media and many people have just lost the will to think for themselves.

There's a North Korean film about western propaganda on Youtube and how we are psychologically manipulated every time we turn the brainwashing box on (TV) which is all true but hypocritical of North Korea...

There many forms of propaganda that is embedded into Western Culture; West is best mentality, the cure is better than prevention mindset when it comes to medicine, all Muslims are terrorists mentality,the mentality of racism and white supremacy ideology. The illusion that we have choice when it comes to democracy is probably the worst form of government in the world, trying to manipulate your mind to make seem what the government is doing is right when its evil - like what's happening in Syria and the almost exact situation what happened 10 years ago in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So I'd like to know what the modern genesis of Western Propaganda is.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...e-social-media
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Old 12-10-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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Western media are very "negative", at least it is true in America.

Media in China are certainly biased too. But in China, they usually do not keep publishing negative news/opinions of certain countries, no matter it is about Africa, the Middle East or the west. You won't keep seeing articles about how bad America government is for XYZ reasons, or how awful life is in Syria. Some internet forums like to talk about things like poor infrastructures of India, or violence in certain neighborhoods of America, but official media almost never talk about those things.

On the other hand, American audience seem to be more interested in articles of "attacking" nature. Articles about non-western countries are mostly negative, especially when Russia, China etc. are involved. However, their domestic news is largely negative too. It seems negative things are more entertaining.
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Old 12-10-2015, 04:16 PM
 
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Western media are very "negative", at least it is true in America.

Media in China are certainly biased too. But in China, they usually do not keep publishing negative news/opinions of certain countries, no matter it is about Africa, the Middle East or the west. You won't keep seeing articles about how bad America government is for XYZ reasons, or how awful life is in Syria. Some internet forums like to talk about things like poor infrastructures of India, or violence in certain neighborhoods of America, but official media almost never talk about those things.

On the other hand, American audience seem to be more interested in articles of "attacking" nature. Articles about non-western countries are mostly negative, especially when Russia, China etc. are involved. However, their domestic news is largely negative too. It seems negative things are more entertaining.
They say negative news sells but does it really? Its a tactic to put Western society on a pedestal and give the false impression that here in the West we are ''civilised'' and ''advanced'' even though technologically its behind the likes of South Korea and China...

Have you watched the poverty porn advertisements that depict African people? They give the impression that Africans need our help and that the money goes directly to the people they show on the television when in reality in goes to the government as a loan which needs to be paid back with interest adding on top to keep them in subordination to their ex colonial dictators.

The media is very one sided when it comes to talking about a lot of issues including Terrorism - only certain types of people are eligible of being called a ''terrorist'' followed by the comment ''Islamist'' while a person of a different background wouldn't be called that or they'd be reluctant to use the word.

Most people take the news stories as the gospel truth.
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Old 12-11-2015, 03:26 AM
 
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Not to de-rail the thread but do we never talk about Western Propaganda? They do exist...all around us...
Main difference is that western media outlets are not controlled by various western governments, which is the case in Russia and China. Putin has direct control with the main media outlets, thereby he controls the source of information that is channeled onto the population. Sceptical journalists are either initmidated or murdered.

Also, I disagree that Western Media is more aggressive/negative than Russian or Chinese counter-parts. If you take a look at Rt.com , pravdareport.com , moscow times etc. you will see that an unreasonably large part of the articles are pretty much just trash talk of US, UK - the West in general.
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Old 12-11-2015, 03:37 AM
 
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Main difference is that western media outlets are not controlled by various western governments, which is the case in Russia and China. Putin has direct control with the main media outlets, thereby he controls the source of information that is channeled onto the population. Sceptical journalists are either initmidated or murdered.

Also, I disagree that Western Media is more aggressive/negative than Russian or Chinese counter-parts. If you take a look at Rt.com , pravdareport.com , moscow times etc. you will see that an unreasonably large part of the articles are pretty much just trash talk of US, UK - the West in general.
But Western media outlets are controlled by the super rich elite who control the images we see. Its the same situation its just that we're so brainwashed that we think ''our'' media is somehow more fair and balanced when in reality they just feed us a pack of manipulated truths and occasionally outright lies! A lot of RT's news stories about the west is true I've never watched their news or read their articles and thought ''this is propaganda'' it may be as they may focus on negatives yes but its good to see sometimes.

These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America - Business Insider

http://www.globalresearch.ca/world-b...-world/5353130
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Old 12-11-2015, 04:12 AM
 
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But Western media outlets are controlled by the super rich elite who control the images we see. Its the same situation its just that we're so brainwashed that we think ''our'' media is somehow more fair and balanced when in reality they just feed us a pack of manipulated truths and occasionally outright lies! A lot of RT's news stories about the west is true I've never watched their news or read their articles and thought ''this is propaganda'' it may be as they may focus on negatives yes but its good to see sometimes.

These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America - Business Insider

http://www.globalresearch.ca/world-b...-world/5353130
Even so, that is six corporations with various obligations to key actors such as consumers, employees, stockholders etc. they are not controlled by a cleptocraty such as Putin's regime. Also, the US media corporations does not equate the the entire west. There are plenty of European corporations too each with their own obligations. Furthermore, there are also plenty of smaller independent companies in the West; some of them quite influential.


"A lot of RT's news stories about the west is true I've never watched their news or read their articles and thought ''this is propaganda'' it may be as they may focus on negatives yes but its good to see sometimes."

'kay,
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Old 12-11-2015, 06:17 AM
 
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So, propaganda is only a bad thing if it's directly coordinated by governments?

To me, propaganda is bad even if not directly coordinated by governments.

American and British propaganda can be seen in movies, TV shows, fiction books, music... I don't think it's much different of Russian propaganda....
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