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Old 08-15-2014, 12:51 AM
 
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Arab is like a pan cultural term & it's analogous to the Hispanic & Latino labels & conundrum. Arabs can be of any race or mix of races. Arabs can also be of any religion.
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Old 08-15-2014, 12:52 AM
 
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Additionally, & further breaking down the discrepancy & overview, many Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, Moroccans, Libyans, Sudanese, and Mauritanians often all identify as “Arab” even though they are of diverse origins and DNA studies have shown none of these people originate from Arabia. The only real Arabs are the Yemenis, Omanis, Saudis, Qataris, Emiratis, and probably Kuwaitis (maybe Jordanians too). Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Palestinians, Bahrainis, Sudanese, Mauritanians, Moroccans, Libyans, Tunisians, Algerians, and the “Arabs” of the Sahara and Iran are not truly Arabs at all. They are just descendants of pre-Islamic peoples who converted to Islam, adopted the Arabic language, and eventually became called as “Arabs”. It’s quite obvious that the Sudanese, for example, are not Arabs but it is harder for people to tell that Syrians, Egyptians, etc. are not Arabs either due to their Middle Eastern looks. So the Andalusian “Arabs” were not Arabs (nor Berbers nor blacks), they were just Arabic-speaking Muslim indigenous Iberians. This is similar to how the “Turks” of Turkey speak Turkish and are Muslims, yet they are obviously not Central Asian or Mongolic; they are Anatolians (plus some Greeks, Caucasians, Slavs, Albanians, etc.) who adopted the Turkish language and the Islamic religion. Spaniards, Portuguese, French, Moldovans, Romanians, and alot of Belgians and Swiss all speak in Romance/Latin languages, though that does not make them Romans or Italians right? This is all proved and backed up by multiple genetic studies. To deny this is to deny scientific evidence and believe in the old ignorance of medieval times.
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Old 08-15-2014, 12:55 AM
 
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It is a known and scientifically proven fact, that Middle-Eastern people are closest genetically out of all other non-Europeans to Europeans. Due to the fact that the Caucasoid racial type originated in the Middle-East and not India!! There are three main genetical racial components within every single European population of which two are found within every single Middle-Eastern population. Northern/Western/Central Europeans/Southern Europeana would be closer to those in Arabia than those in India who are much further away.
Caucasoid is an arbitrary parameter created in the 19th century. It is a residue, an anachronism. Two people can be 'Caucasoid' and not be closely related. Craniofacial plasticity is much more variable than was originally thought, so racial claims on craniofacial parameters are foolish. In microcosms, you might be able to show some relationship, but in global macrocosms, there are more mistakes than accuracy. Polytopicity is when two different groups of organisms that are not related end up having similar traits.

More like, if they are in similar environments, common factors may play a role in similar attributes. For example people in the circum Sahara developed thinner noses overall because of the dryer, hotter air. In Europe the colder dryer air had a similar effect. When we see broader features, they tend to be more recent migrations to dryer regions from more humid climates. Of course other factors can come into play as well. For example Neanderthals had wide nasal cavities but a very long nose that did a similar function to a thin nose. Clothing has played a huge role in allowing people with certain traits to migrate to regions they did not do so well in naked.

Humanity is infinitely diverse and a beautiful thing. We are playdoh to the environment. And now we change the environment to us.
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Old 08-15-2014, 03:06 AM
 
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Northern Indians, Indoeuropeans, are closer to Europeans than Semitic or "Graeco-Syrians", but the latter are a large proportion in the former Roman empire, mainly in Italy.
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Old 08-15-2014, 03:14 AM
 
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Arab is like a pan cultural term & it's analogous to the Hispanic & Latino labels & conundrum. Arabs can be of any race or mix of races. Arabs can also be of any religion.


Well, not really. Hispanic is a recent American invention and refers to Spanish speakers living in the US.
Arabs are an ancient denomination to people living in Greco-Syria and Arabia Felix.

Non-Arab countries invaded by Muslims are erroneously called "Arabs", but they are not, they are Islamic. Islams refers to a specific civilization based on the Kurah that included all the people from the book (Jewish and Christians).

Turkey, Iran, Bosnia, Pakistan and North Africa are not Arab countries, but Islamic countries.

Arabs live in Syria, Jordan, Irak, Yemen, Gulf Emirates, Lebanon and Palestina.
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Old 08-15-2014, 03:41 AM
 
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Additionally, & further breaking down the discrepancy & overview, many Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, Moroccans, Libyans, Sudanese, and Mauritanians often all identify as “Arab” even though they are of diverse origins and DNA studies have shown none of these people originate from Arabia. The only real Arabs are the Yemenis, Omanis, Saudis, Qataris, Emiratis, and probably Kuwaitis (maybe Jordanians too). Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Palestinians, Bahrainis, Sudanese, Mauritanians, Moroccans, Libyans, Tunisians, Algerians, and the “Arabs” of the Sahara and Iran are not truly Arabs at all. They are just descendants of pre-Islamic peoples who converted to Islam, adopted the Arabic language, and eventually became called as “Arabs”. It’s quite obvious that the Sudanese, for example, are not Arabs but it is harder for people to tell that Syrians, Egyptians, etc. are not Arabs either due to their Middle Eastern looks. So the Andalusian “Arabs” were not Arabs (nor Berbers nor blacks), they were just Arabic-speaking Muslim indigenous Iberians. This is similar to how the “Turks” of Turkey speak Turkish and are Muslims, yet they are obviously not Central Asian or Mongolic; they are Anatolians (plus some Greeks, Caucasians, Slavs, Albanians, etc.) who adopted the Turkish language and the Islamic religion. Spaniards, Portuguese, French, Moldovans, Romanians, and alot of Belgians and Swiss all speak in Romance/Latin languages, though that does not make them Romans or Italians right? This is all proved and backed up by multiple genetic studies. To deny this is to deny scientific evidence and believe in the old ignorance of medieval times.
Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself!

Btw, Lebanese people (and Syrians too, I think) were Phoenicians back in the day. It's sad that they forgot their roots and got 'Arabized'. Oh, some Iraqis, mainly those from the south are 'true' Arabs. And I'm sure most Kuwaitis are 'real' Arabs too (they resemble Saudis, Omanis, Qataris, etc).

Interestingly, the only people from the Middle East that remained their own ethnicity (didn't forget their language) and didn't convert to Islam were the Assyrians (who trace their ancestry back to ancient Assyria and Akkadian empire).
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Old 08-15-2014, 03:49 AM
 
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North Indians. Arabs are Semites.
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Old 08-15-2014, 06:06 AM
 
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Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself!

Btw, Lebanese people (and Syrians too, I think) were Phoenicians back in the day. It's sad that they forgot their roots and got 'Arabized'. Oh, some Iraqis, mainly those from the south are 'true' Arabs. And I'm sure most Kuwaitis are 'real' Arabs too (they resemble Saudis, Omanis, Qataris, etc).

Interestingly, the only people from the Middle East that remained their own ethnicity (didn't forget their language) and didn't convert to Islam were the Assyrians (who trace their ancestry back to ancient Assyria and Akkadian empire).

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Phoenicians ceased to exist as culture a long time ago, before Islam. They were conquered by Alexander, became part of the Seleucid empire and the Helenistic civilization and much later, they were conquered by Rome..and much later became part of the Palestina-Syria province (once most Jews were expelled).

Arabs come from the region known as Arabia by the Roman and divided in three. The most famous part was Arabia Felix, nowdays Yemen, they were very rich because they had a "cartel" on a precious commodity at the time, Myrrh.

In the seventh century, a man was born in a trading city in Arabia in which Christians and 10 other religions lived side by side...the rest is history.

But Syrians, Jordanians and "Lebanese" can be considered as Arabs, although they were closer to Greeks and Romans in culture, because they were the elite along with people from Yemen and Irak, they forged Islam since they were very cultured, they created the Caliphat and saved all the classic culture, translating it to Arab. Thanks to them the west as we know now exist. Later, much later, 900 years later, Islam fell in obscurity and divisionism, as Christianity during the low middle ages.

The classic culture, written in Arab, arrived to the university of Cordoba and to Europe, since Cordoba was visited by many intellectuals from all Europe during the seventh and eight centuries, when Europe was in darkness. The translations, performed by religious orders, went from monastery to monastery and provoking a rebirth of "pagan culture".

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Old 08-15-2014, 06:39 AM
 
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Phoenicians ceased to exist as culture a long time ago, before Islam.
Today's Berbers trace their ancestry to Dido.
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Old 08-15-2014, 06:46 AM
 
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Berbers came from the Middle East, some 20.000 years ago. But Dido is a legend far more recent, I believe.

As to Northern India, part of Northern India was part of the Seleucid empire, the empire created by Alexander.
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