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Interesting take, but sadly people here in the UK don't think like that its just the "immigrants" so in reality a immigrant Nigerian or Pakistani has all the rights to being here.
Maybe that's a good argument against the racist political party BNP and UKIP.
Sad that these countries cant spread the wealth to the countries they took advantage of even to this day.
Yes...While of course I understand the English don't want to see immigrants outnumbering their own, they should be more mindful of some of the historical causes of why so many want to immigrate there in the first place. If things are good in one's home country one does not normally want to uproot and move somewhere foreign.
Well if it offers them a better quality of life, and they're willing to uproot (at least for awhile), sounds fair enough, especially after what the colonial powers did to them. Much of the reason of why Britain etc is so wealthy today is from resources like sugar from the colonies. If you look at it that way, the immigrants are merely reaping the wealth the Brits got from them. Slaves too.
But the African Carribeans are actually established here, they are British they are not immigrants.
Interesting take, but sadly people here in the UK don't think like that its just the "immigrants" so in reality a immigrant Nigerian or Pakistani has all the rights to being here.
Maybe that's a good argument against the racist political party BNP and UKIP.
Sad that these countries cant spread the wealth to the countries they took advantage of even to this day.
The UK gives out enough money thanks very much. We should be caring for our own people in this DIFFICULT ECONOMIC TIME!
I've really only ever heard "pilgrimage" used here in Aus in the context of visiting sites that are significant in terms of Australia's military history, like Gallipoli, Long Tan or Kokoda.
British people don't really care about Australia to be honest so I don't know why you keep trying to make the point that Australia is different to the UK. We don't care.
British people don't really care about Australia to be honest so I don't know why you keep trying to make the point that Australia is different to the UK. We don't care.
If you don't care about Australia why do you keep making posts about about Australia, when it's very clear you know absolutely nothing about it?
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Well we maintained stronger ties to the 'Mother Country.' As late as the 1970s, a lot of newsreader's put on wannabe British accents, British migration remains strong...in Perth it's as common to have a British grandparent as an Australian one, so the links aren't purely historical. It's precisely because of the pervasive influence of British that we feel more of a need to assert our own identity. Sort of like how Canadians want to distinguish themselves from the US, Australians for a long time tried hard to create our own identity, because for a long time we were thought of merely as a colony of Britain. From our bush poetry, indigenous culture, stereotypes like Croc Dundee etc.
I read these two parts as contradictory. How is referring to the UK as the Mother Country, and calling your trips there a pilgrimage, asserting your own identity? It sounds more like the child not ready to leave it's mother.
I haven't been to Australia but I do know Australians, and one thing that I never felt from them was any sort of extra energy needed to assert their identity. I thinks it's pretty well set.
The Australians I know that have visited or even lived in the UK did it for the same reasons Canadians do, and that is because of the UK's history…some looking for family connections etc.
I guess it's the word pilgrimage and it's religious connotations which indicate some reverence to the place.
Pilgrimage, as one poster noted, is more appropriate for one visiting war memorial sites and cemeteries.
Distance could have something to do with it. The people I know in Canada who have relatives, or heritage from the UK ( like myself ) travel there easily. Longest flight from Canada is 8.5 or 9 hours from Vancouver, shorter from Toronto at 7.5 hours or 6.15 hours from Halifax.
Many go several times in their life, some I know go every 2 years if they have family, many go more often, especially in winter when fares are lower.
British people don't really care about Australia to be honest so I don't know why you keep trying to make the point that Australia is different to the UK. We don't care.
Huh? My post was in relation to Australians' sense of "pilgrimage".
Whether that is different than that held by Brits, Americans, Kiwis or whoever is beside the point.
I read these two parts as contradictory. How is referring to the UK as the Mother Country, and calling your trips there a pilgrimage, asserting your own identity? It sounds more like the child not ready to leave it's mother.
I haven't been to Australia but I do know Australians, and one thing that I never felt from them was any sort of extra energy needed to assert their identity. I thinks it's pretty well set.
The Australians I know that have visited or even lived in the UK did it for the same reasons Canadians do, and that is because of the UK's history…some looking for family connections etc.
I guess it's the word pilgrimage and it's religious connotations which indicate some reverence to the place.
Pilgrimage, as one poster noted, is more appropriate for one visiting war memorial sites and cemeteries.
Distance could have something to do with it. The people I know in Canada who have relatives, or heritage from the UK ( like myself ) travel there easily. Longest flight from Canada is 8.5 or 9 hours from Vancouver, shorter from Toronto at 7.5 hours or 6.15 hours from Halifax.
Many go several times in their life, some I know go every 2 years if they have family, many go more often, especially in winter when fares are lower.
Well I was talking about two different things. You referred to the fact that we seem more concerned about becoming a Republic than the UK (even though most people actually don't care that much, it doesn't really effect our lives, but it seems to be more in our consciousness than in Canada). I compared it to the US and Canada, and the historical differences. Now we might have a distinct identity, and while we still had one in say the 1950s, the link with Britain was very strong, as I have pointed out, which is a large reason why many Australians feel the need to make the 'pilgrimage.' I say pilgrimage because it's different to visiting any other country. It's something a lot of young Aussies just 'did', if you know what I mean. You can quibble about definitions...pilgrimage, 'rite of passage', whatever, but I think you get my drift.
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