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Old 02-21-2015, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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If you're talking to me, no I am not saying that. I only chose the Vietnam example but I agree that Iraq was a complete and total disastrous failure. Here was a country where there were no terrorist. Today it's the number one terrorist hot spot. Afghanistan was lost from the beginning.
No I am talking to ThePage.
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Old 02-21-2015, 07:12 PM
 
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You telling me Iraq or Afghan was won?

Jesus Christ. War is one of those things where every ignoramus and his brother is an expert.

You lost. We, Britain, lost. Korea is still basically in a state of war. Are Americans seriously deluded?
... I am talking to ThePage.
The U.S and its allies did not lose any war in Iraq as we were successful in overcoming the might of the Iraqi army. What did not work was the " after Saddam agenda". We missed that point for relying too much on Al Maliki the former iraqi prime minister. The latter failed in being a political leader for spending all his time seeking revenge against the Sunni. The political failure of AL Maliki is not a military failure of the allied forces.

Afghanistan war was won. Yes, it was. Why ?
Well, where are the Taliban? are they in Kabul sheltering Osama Bin Laden ? No.
And make no mistake, this war was a just war as the suckers out there were dreaming to send more radical Muslims attack America.

Korea
The war in Korea was too costly and could have been avoided.But All things considered North Korea did not win and we didn't lose .As matter of fact the Panmunjong documents never stated that the U.S lost that war.

Vietnam
The U.S pulled out to stop the growing number in civilian death.
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Old 02-21-2015, 07:16 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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War? lol. a military engagement is not a war... want to see real war? well go into a time machine and go visit Europe
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Old 02-21-2015, 09:11 PM
 
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Are Americans seriously deluded?
Well...... got my answer
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Old 02-21-2015, 09:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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War? lol. a military engagement is not a war...
What an embarrassingly daft statement!

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Examples Word Origin
noun
1.
a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.
2.
a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations:
The two nations were at war with each other.
3.
a contest carried on by force of arms, as in a series of battles or campaigns:
the War of 1812.
4.
armed fighting, as a science, profession, activity, or art; methods or principles of waging armed conflict:
War is the soldier's business.
5.
active hostility or contention; conflict; contest:
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Old 02-22-2015, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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You telling me Iraq or Afghan was won?

Jesus Christ. War is one of those things where every ignoramus and his brother is an expert.

You lost. We, Britain, lost. Korea is still basically in a state of war. Are Americans seriously deluded?
The U.S. lost Korea and Vietnam, but Iraq and Afghanistan? No. You can't technically lose a war if you don't set victory conditions... or move the victory conditions around to suit the exit strategy. Pretty clever.
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:37 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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The U.S. lost Korea and Vietnam, but Iraq and Afghanistan? No. You can't technically lose a war if you don't set victory conditions... or move the victory conditions around to suit the exit strategy. Pretty clever.
The conditions in Iraq was the fight terrorism. That has obviously failed.
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Scotland
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The conditions in Iraq was the fight terrorism. That has obviously failed.
Snap
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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The US and allies succeeded in overthrowing Saddam, allowing IS to be what they are today. So ultimately they failed, because Iraq is worse now than ever. The end goal was to make Iraq stable, safe and secure - better luck next time.
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Old 02-22-2015, 12:52 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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What an embarrassingly daft statement!

War | Define War at Dictionary.com
Before replying to me with smartass replies at least know that i was talking about declaration of war, we haven't declared war in decades....
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