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Old 11-18-2018, 03:54 PM
 
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A less rich country that USA as is Spain has a military unit for emergencies that has a lot many of fire fighting material and when a fire is very big and firefighters can not they with the fire ,they call it that this speciliazed unit that act unfortunately very often but almost always succesful and there have
never been so many deaths or remotely .-
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Old 11-18-2018, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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I machine translated this to Spanish, then back to English and it became more comprehensible:

A country less rich than the United States, like Spain, has a military unit for emergencies that has a large aamount of firefighting material and when a fire is very large and firefighters can not handle the fire, they call it this specialized unit that acts unfortunately very often, but almost always successful and there have never been so many deaths even remotely.

The US has developed a long tradition of separation of the military and the civilian. To support this, there is the National Guard, a state-level paramilitary force that can be called in to assist civilian emergencies. Also, because it is richer, the US has a better established private sector to be called upon.
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:10 AM
 
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Forgive my bad english.I am very recient student.

My comment is this.-



In California I read in the News, that the last fire had 77 dead and was unstoppable.-

The question is , as USA , a country that is so rich, not have an effective civil or military system to overcome ,these disasters with so many dead.-
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Australia
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Forgive my bad english.I am very recient student.

My comment is this.-



In California I read in the News, that the last fire had 77 dead and was unstoppable.-

The question is , as USA , a country that is so rich, not have an effective civil or military system to overcome ,these disasters with so many dead.-
Australia is also a rich country and we have had similar disasters with even higher death tolls. We have very extensive paid and volunteer fire fighting services but on occasion nature wins.

A fast moving fire can be all but unstoppable, especially when, in our case the eucalyptus trees are highly flammable.
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:45 AM
 
Location: Near Luxembourg
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A less rich country that USA as is Spain has a military unit for emergencies that has a lot many of fire fighting material and when a fire is very big and firefighters can not they with the fire ,they call it that this speciliazed unit that act unfortunately very often but almost always succesful and there have
never been so many deaths or remotely .-
Are fires in USA at the same scale of those in Spain? I doubt
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Old 11-19-2018, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Americans wave their freedom like a flag, which often includes refusing to obey evacuation recommendations. By contrast, Cuba has barely a death or two decade from natural disasters, which includes pelnty of hurricanes. In Cuba, evacuation is not a choice.
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Old 11-19-2018, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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A less rich country that USA as is Spain has a military unit for emergencies that has a lot many of fire fighting material and when a fire is very big and firefighters can not they with the fire ,they call it that this speciliazed unit that act unfortunately very often but almost always succesful and there have
never been so many deaths or remotely .-
The US has great fire fighting capabilities but the problem is the weather pattern on the West coast where you get significant winter rain for tree growth and then no rain (I mean none) for months of summer and Fall with much greater expanses of land with little population....compounded by changes in environmental policies to not thin the forest has created a towering inferno.
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Old 11-19-2018, 08:45 AM
 
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I'm a lifelong resident of Southern California. Anyone who thinks the recent wildfires were so destructive because the state of California and/or the USA lacks adequate firefighting capability just does not understand the geography and climatic conditions.

My sister-in-law's sister (that is, my brother's wife's sister) has lived for many years in Paradise, CA. The fire came suddenly and almost without warning. She and her husband had no time to save anything, and barely made it out alive. They had to drive though the flames to escape.

Unfortunately, many people were unable to escape and died in the flames. "Stubbornly refusing to evacuate" was not part of the scenario for most. You have far more warning of a hurricane than such a fire.

It's shameful how quick people from other countries are to blame a severe natural disaster on flaws in the American character.
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Old 11-19-2018, 08:49 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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I think it's very unwise to imply any kind of "effort-wise" problems vs financial wealth of a nation...People always forget that Nature is a powerful source of force and destruction upon the Earth itself, no matter where, no matter when.


In Spain (and other European nations) for instance, a rich country by all accounts, lots of elderly people die during heat waves, even that being more predictable than a fire.
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Old 11-19-2018, 08:55 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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I machine translated this to Spanish, then back to English and it became more comprehensible:

A country less rich than the United States, like Spain, has a military unit for emergencies that has a large aamount of firefighting material and when a fire is very large and firefighters can not handle the fire, they call it this specialized unit that acts unfortunately very often, but almost always successful and there have never been so many deaths even remotely.

The US has developed a long tradition of separation of the military and the civilian. To support this, there is the National Guard, a state-level paramilitary force that can be called in to assist civilian emergencies. Also, because it is richer, the US has a better established private sector to be called upon.
Thank you for fixing that
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