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I actually thought Milan was underrated. If you’re going to skip an Italian city, I’d go with Messina or maybe Naples.
The sad thing is Zurich might be the best Swiss city. Bern and Lucern were even more underwhelming. Maybe there’s some magic in Geneva, I haven’t visited that one yet. Switzerland is still one of my favorite countries, the alps there are just spectacular.
Here are a few more:
Greece - Athens (the islands are the place to go there)
France - Marseille
Spain - Alicante or maybe even Valencia
When I went to Switzerland I went to Zermatt (the small village at the base of the Matterhorn). One of if not THE most beautiful place on this earth. Geneva at least has the view of the Alps. Not sure about Zurich and the other cities, but Basel was nice. It's in the German part.
I actually liked Marseille. It's no Paris but representative of the South of France. I also liked Athens but next time I want to go to Thessaloniki.
For England I'd say any of the large cities besides London (Manchester, Birmingham, and Liverpool). The smaller towns and cities are nice however.
For Japan, I'd say Nagoya and Kobe can be skipped.
The sad thing is Zurich might be the best Swiss city. Bern and Lucern were even more underwhelming. Maybe there’s some magic in Geneva, I haven’t visited that one yet. Switzerland is still one of my favorite countries, the alps there are just spectacular.
Exactly why people should just go to Austria. Everything is 50% cheaper and offers everything Switzerland can offer and more.
I agree that Milan sucks. Lille is also pretty bad (4th or 5th largest city in France).
I actually thought Milan was underrated. If you’re going to skip an Italian city, I’d go with Messina or maybe Naples.
The sad thing is Zurich might be the best Swiss city. Bern and Lucern were even more underwhelming. Maybe there’s some magic in Geneva, I haven’t visited that one yet. Switzerland is still one of my favorite countries, the alps there are just spectacular.
Here are a few more:
Greece - Athens (the islands are the place to go there)
France - Marseille
Spain - Alicante or maybe even Valencia
Wow really? I am going to Athens this weekend. I am also thinking to go to Marseille because the flights from there are only £16 from London.
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Exactly why people should just go to Austria. Everything is 50% cheaper and offers everything Switzerland can offer and more.
I agree that Milan sucks. Lille is also pretty bad (4th or 5th largest city in France).
How is Lille bad, it's a student city, with a lot of good galleries/museums, historic buildings/squares and very good bars, restaurant and night life.
I actually often prefer cities that are not swamped by tourists but are vibrant and interesting.
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Wow really? I am going to Athens this weekend. I am also thinking to go to Marseille because the flights from there are only £16 from London.
You'l have to fly to London first, as you don't live here and have never set foot in the country and have been called out for being a troll that just likes to indulge in negative posts about numerous cities.
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Wow really? I am going to Athens this weekend. I am also thinking to go to Marseille because the flights from there are only £16 from London.
Unfortunately yes. I recommend the Plaka district in Athens, the rest of the city was pretty dilapidated when I visited in 2016. The islands are nice though, I’d like to go back to Greece and spend more time on them.
I would definitely do Nice over Marseille. You know how they say pictures don’t do a place justice? Well, that can work both ways. Prior to going to Marseille all the pictures I saw looked really nice, but then when I was there the city turned out to be pretty gritty.
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Unfortunately yes. I recommend the Plaka district in Athens, the rest of the city was pretty dilapidated when I visited in 2016. The islands are nice though, I’d like to go back to Greece and spend more time on them.
I would definitely do Nice over Marseille. You know how they say pictures don’t do a place justice? Well, that can work both ways. Prior to going to Marseille all the pictures I saw looked really nice, but then when I was there the city turned out to be pretty gritty.
Marseille, has always been on the gritty side, as has Athens, with Naples being another such city.
Have you never watched The French Connection or French Connection 2.
Athens is also not a picture-postcard capital and is often gritty and a place that you are wise to keep your wits about you.
Nice on the other hand is pretty in a traditional sense.
When I went to Switzerland I went to Zermatt (the small village at the base of the Matterhorn). One of if not THE most beautiful place on this earth. Geneva at least has the view of the Alps. Not sure about Zurich and the other cities, but Basel was nice. It's in the German part.
I actually liked Marseille. It's no Paris but representative of the South of France. I also liked Athens but next time I want to go to Thessaloniki.
For England I'd say any of the large cities besides London (Manchester, Birmingham, and Liverpool). The smaller towns and cities are nice however.
For Japan, I'd say Nagoya and Kobe can be skipped.
Murren and Wengen were incredible, I’ll have to visit Zermatt at some point too because it does look really nice.
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Exactly why people should just go to Austria. Everything is 50% cheaper and offers everything Switzerland can offer and more.
I agree that Milan sucks. Lille is also pretty bad (4th or 5th largest city in France).
I’m going to have to get back to Austria soon. I’ve only been to Bregenz, which was fine but the Lake of Constance is kind of unimpressive to someone from Florida.
Unfortunately yes. I recommend the Plaka district in Athens, the rest of the city was pretty dilapidated when I visited in 2016. The islands are nice though, I’d like to go back to Greece and spend more time on them.
I would definitely do Nice over Marseille. You know how they say pictures don’t do a place justice? Well, that can work both ways. Prior to going to Marseille all the pictures I saw looked really nice, but then when I was there the city turned out to be pretty gritty.
I see! Thanks. Athens has a bad reputation. I really don’t understand why flights to Marseille are so cheap from London. I passed through the city when I was going to Lyon and it looked very sketchy from the train. I have heard Montpellier is very nice.
Both cities were kind of sketchy, but I didn't feel like they were really dangerous either. The cities in Europe that made me the most nervous were Messina and Lisbon. Lisbon wasn't that bad, but it is a little sketchy, and all the blind alleyways kind of invite trouble so I was probably most nervous there.
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I see! Thanks. Athens has a bad reputation. I really don’t understand why flights to Marseille are so cheap from London. I passed through the city when I was going to Lyon and it looked very sketchy from the train. I have heard Montpellier is very nice.
I think you could enjoy Athens, provided you stay in Plaka and other nicer areas. With respect to this thread, I just mean people are probably better off skipping the city and going to the islands.
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I haven't seen The French Connection...
Both cities were kind of sketchy, but I didn't feel like they were really dangerous either. The cities in Europe that made me the most nervous were Messina and Lisbon. Lisbon wasn't that bad, but it is a little sketchy, and all the blind alleyways kind of invite trouble so I was probably most nervous there.
I think you could enjoy Athens, provided you stay in Plaka and other nicer areas. With respect to this thread, I just mean people are probably better off skipping the city and going to the islands.
Lisbon has been raved about for a number of years, and has become a must visit in terms of European guide books.
The 25 de Abril Bridge has a San Francisco type feel to it, and I do like the hilly streets, alley ways, trams and main square.
The others are indeed a bit rough around the edges and sketchy in places, however that can add to a cities character.
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