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Old 10-17-2022, 03:07 PM
 
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It depends, and private run prisons can be terrible. I hear the private run prisons here in Australia are terrible as well.
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Old 10-17-2022, 10:30 PM
 
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If I owned a private prison, I'd do everything possible to make sure the inmates are angry and discontented and unruly. Time off for good behavior would be very bad for my greedy profits, the only reason I invested in prisons. I'd be so angry seeing profits walk down the street, I'd make sure nobody "good behaved".

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Old 10-18-2022, 05:54 AM
 
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If I owned a private prison, I'd do everything possible to make sure the inmates are angry and discontented and unruly. Time off for good behavior would be very bad for my greedy profits, the only reason I invested in prisons. I'd be so angry seeing profits walk down the street, I'd make sure nobody "good behaved".
Prisons are usually the subject of regular inspections, and private companies can have their contracts cancelled if prisons do not meet requirements.
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Old 10-18-2022, 08:22 AM
 
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Prisons are usually the subject of regular inspections, and private companies can have their contracts cancelled if prisons do not meet requirements.
Everything "investigated" is my word against a guy doing 10-20, with no third witness. And that's billlable years, at $50,000 a year. That's 50% higher than the annual cost of having a kid in college. For a sociopathic bully guard, meeting requirements means polishing the boots he kicks inmates with.
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Old 10-18-2022, 08:41 AM
 
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Everything "investigated" is my word against a guy doing 10-20, with no third witness. And that's billlable years, at $50,000 a year. That's 50% higher than the annual cost of having a kid in college. For a sociopathic bully guard, meeting requirements means polishing the boots he kicks inmates with.
Not really.

Countries such as the UK have the HM Prison Inspectorate, who can turn up unannounced and will talk to prisoners and staff, including those in solitary.

HMP Inspectorate are not really concerned with what some private company has to say, and they have a lot of powers.

Not only do HM Inspection teams write detailed regular reports, but they also write report on other prison issues.

There are only around 14 private prisons in the UK, however private companies such as Serco, G4S and Sodexo have a history of being fined for not reaching required standards or having contracts scrapped, and given back to the public sector, which is where prisons belong.

So you would just lose money through fines or lose contracts in such circumstances, whilst and physical abuse against prisoners or fraud in relation to contracts would simply result in the company in question losing the contract, as well as possible criminal proceedings against those responsible for any crimes.

HM Prison Inspectorate - GOV.UK

HMP Birmingham: G4S loses permanent contract - BBC News (2019)

G4S loses Wolds prison contract - BBC News (2012)

Prison giant Serco hands £4million back to government since 2010 for repeatedly failing to meet standards - Daily Mirror (2018)

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Old 10-18-2022, 09:58 PM
 
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Not really.

Countries such as the UK have the HM Prison Inspectorate, who can turn up unannounced and will talk to prisoners and staff, including those in solitary.

HMP Inspectorate are not really concerned with what some private company has to say, and they have a lot of powers.

Not only do HM Inspection teams write detailed regular reports, but they also write report on other prison issues.

There are only around 14 private prisons in the UK, however private companies such as Serco, G4S and Sodexo have a history of being fined for not reaching required standards or having contracts scrapped, and given back to the public sector, which is where prisons belong.
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You are completely missing my entire point. Time off for good behavior loses revenue. So, reduce
the "risk" of good behavior, without breaking any roles. Every school bully knowa how to do that.
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Old 10-18-2022, 11:43 PM
 
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You are completely missing my entire point. Time off for good behavior loses revenue. So, reduce
the "risk" of good behavior, without breaking any roles. Every school bully knowa how to do that.
Stopping some one from getting time off for good behaviour wouldn't be acceptable and prisoners would merely report the situation to the prison inspectorate or take legal action.

The probation service and prison social workers are involved in the release of prisoners and would object.

Whilst the prison inspectorate themselves would be looking at the statistics and questioning why so many prisoners were failing to get time off.
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Old 10-18-2022, 11:54 PM
 
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It's debatable whether we even really are a part of the developed world at this point, but... Japan has death penalty, and makes it a "secret" when those on death row will die. The families aren't even told about it until well after the fact. Singapore also has some... questionable practices (Michael Fay)
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Old 10-19-2022, 04:34 AM
 
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Whilst the prison inspectorate themselves would be looking at the statistics and questioning why so many prisoners were failing to get time off.
OK. the statistics. Got any? Time off sentence for good behavior, private vs. government. If there's a discrepancy, which would you correct.

The very fact that the US even HAS capital punishment screams a loud message about America's philosophy on "punishment", the chief goal of the judicial process.

Poll after poll reveal that the American people heavily favor "punishment" as the outcome of justice. True to the spirit of democracy, they get the "tough on crime" outcome they elect. Governors have sweeping power to commute or otherwise reduce sentences. None ever do.

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