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Old 02-01-2012, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
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We have 3 internationally adopted children and I know the first hand pain of lack of transparency can cause all parties involved. This is another sad story.

Adoption Battle Over 5-Year Old Boy Pits Missouri Couple Vs. Illegal Immigrant - ABC News
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:51 PM
 
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I appreciate that you see this as a problem for everyone. Many people who have either adopted or been on the other sides wouldn't be objective about it. Unfortunately for these 15k kids I do not see any "correct" answer.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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Its not really an international adoption story so much as a domestic one. This boy was in the US right?

I'm the mother of two internationally adopted children. While I am completely and totally in support of the Hague Convention, I do think that many NGO's and foreign governments are working on the behalf of lobbies in their own countries, not on the behalf of the more than 100 MILLION orphans worldwide.

I think that everyone needs to remember that a loving family is always preferable to institutionalization.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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Its not really an international adoption story so much as a domestic one. This boy was in the US right?

I'm the mother of two internationally adopted children. While I am completely and totally in support of the Hague Convention, I do think that many NGO's and foreign governments are working on the behalf of lobbies in their own countries, not on the behalf of the more than 100 MILLION orphans worldwide.

I think that everyone needs to remember that a loving family is always preferable to institutionalization.
Yes, it seems kind of selfish on the part of the bio-mother who would rather drag her young child through all kinds of difficulties rather than allowing him to have a stable life.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:02 PM
 
Location: North America
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Yes, it seems kind of selfish on the part of the bio-mother who would rather drag her young child through all kinds of difficulties rather than allowing him to have a stable life.
Easy to say when it's not your child though isn't it?
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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Why does she want the kid back? So he can join the Mexican drug gang?? He looks happier with the foster parents. And they seem well educated and capable of providing a good education.

Besides, I hate newsreaders who try to act cool, yet commit the most severe of fashion Faux Pas.

Black suit. Wider lapels. And a skinny tie??? And a black one at that?? Shame
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:04 AM
 
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Why does she want the kid back? So he can join the Mexican drug gang?? He looks happier with the foster parents. And they seem well educated and capable of providing a good education.

Besides, I hate newsreaders who try to act cool, yet commit the most severe of fashion Faux Pas.

Black suit. Wider lapels. And a skinny tie??? And a black one at that?? Shame
Yes i guess that means all poor parents should just put their children up for adoption then :roll eyes:.
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:31 AM
 
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This really isn't international or really even about adoption per se, it's really more of a domestic immigration issue. My personal take would be that if the only criminality that can be determined is the act of immigrating illegally and the parent desires the child back, then they should be reunited. People were outraged when that Japanese mother took her kids to Japan and the father who had custody in the US was fighting desperately to get them back and the Japanese government was saying no. While there are differences in this case, there are similarities as well.

The US has a commitment to honoring all human rights and constitutionally guaranteed freedoms for all people in the US regardless of citizneship. Yet, in this case, there would have been a clear difference between how a US citizen would have been treated and how these parents were treated.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:21 AM
 
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This really isn't international or really even about adoption per se, it's really more of a domestic immigration issue. My personal take would be that if the only criminality that can be determined is the act of immigrating illegally and the parent desires the child back, then they should be reunited. People were outraged when that Japanese mother took her kids to Japan and the father who had custody in the US was fighting desperately to get them back and the Japanese government was saying no. While there are differences in this case, there are similarities as well.

The US has a commitment to honoring all human rights and constitutionally guaranteed freedoms for all people in the US regardless of citizneship. Yet, in this case, there would have been a clear difference between how a US citizen would have been treated and how these parents were treated.
Sadly people like this suffer due to the fact she is an illegal immigrant. That being said i don't think she will get her child back due to the time frame he has been away from her. And her need to return to a much lower standard of living that this child is used too.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:24 AM
 
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This really isn't international or really even about adoption per se, it's really more of a domestic immigration issue. My personal take would be that if the only criminality that can be determined is the act of immigrating illegally and the parent desires the child back, then they should be reunited. People were outraged when that Japanese mother took her kids to Japan and the father who had custody in the US was fighting desperately to get them back and the Japanese government was saying no. While there are differences in this case, there are similarities as well.

The US has a commitment to honoring all human rights and constitutionally guaranteed freedoms for all people in the US regardless of citizneship. Yet, in this case, there would have been a clear difference between how a US citizen would have been treated and how these parents were treated.
Agreed. I hate it when stories like this are used as an example of "international adoption gone wrong" where this has nothing to do with international adoption and doesn't resemble the international adoption process a bit.
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