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Old 10-30-2009, 11:30 AM
 
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No it is not illegal to squat on land there or even on federal land or even to prospect and
mine it.
Check out the "Desertphile" video on you tube. He will explain in detail all about it on one of his videos.This guy lives as a hermit in the desert and uses a solar panel to generate enough electricity
to get on the internet and post videos. It is an incredible existence but he has the freedom to come and go as he pleases.
Better there than Alaska.
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Old 10-30-2009, 11:34 AM
 
Location: on top of a mountain
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Thank God for that! I have some dam building Beavers that have moved onto the back property and built a lodge... Was worried that they would have taken my land for doing improvements back there!
Here ya go Starlite!! how to fight if it someone makes an issue...this can be verified as true on snopes.com

t[SIZE=2]his is a copy of an actual letter sent to Ryan DeVries, from the
Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan. Wait
till you read this guy's response - but read the entire letter before
you get to the response.

Mr. Ryan DeVries
2088 Dagget
Pierson, MI 49339
SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20;

Site Location: Montcalm County

Dear Mr. DeVries:

It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality
that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced
parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner
and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:

Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet
stream of Spring Pond.

A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A
review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued.

Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in
violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource
and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994,
being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws
annotated.

The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially
failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at
downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently
hazardous and cannot be permitted.

The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities
at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by
removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel.
All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2002.

Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so
that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure
to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the
site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement
action.

We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.
Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.

Sincerely,
David L. Price
District Representative
Land and Water Management Division
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

RESPONSE:

Dear Mr. Price,

Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20;
Montcalm County

Reference your certified letter dated 12/17/2000 has been referred to me
to respond to. First of all, Mr. Ryan De Vries is not the legal
landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan.

I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State
unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris"
dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond.

While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I
think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of
natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your
department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any
place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could
ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam
ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their
dam work ethic.

As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must
first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam
activity. My first dam question to you is:
(1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers? or,
(2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said
dam request?

If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through
the Freedom of Information Act I request completed copies of all those
other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we
will see if there really is a dam violation of P! art 301, Inland Lakes
and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act,
Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.3010,1 to
324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several
concerns. My first concern is aren't the beavers entitled to legal
representation?

The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay
for said representation - so the State will have to provide them with a
lawyer.

The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed
during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a
natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In
other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than
harrass them and call their dam names. If you want the stream "restored"
to a dam free-flow condition - please contact the beavers - but if you
are going to arrest them they obviously did not pay any attention to
your dam letter (being unable to read English).

In my humble ! opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build
their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green
and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I do to live
and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and
Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the
natural resources
(Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams).

So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be
referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until
1/31/2002 The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and
there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them
then.

In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real
environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears.
Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you
should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone.

If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The
bears are not careful where they dump!)

Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to
contact you on your answering machine, I am sending this response to
your office via another government organization - the USPS. Maybe,
someday, it will get there.

Sincerely,
Stephen L. Tvedten
The University of Texas at: Austin
Office Community Relations/Accounting unit
P.O. Box 7367
Austin, TX 78713[/SIZE]
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:58 PM
 
Location: alaska
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Thats the funniest dam thing I have read in a long dam time!
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Old 10-30-2009, 02:19 PM
 
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You couldn't hide it from everybody. Sooner or later someone would know you're there; rural Alaskans are very aware of their surroundings and by that I mean that a little wisp of smoke that most people wouldn't even notice is just that--a little wisp of smoke.

It's a nice fantasy though. The cops would probably leave you alone; the problem with this is that you could end up on someone's private property.

Every now and then I kick around the idea of letting some young couple/individual build a couple of cabins on my land up north and give them one of them as an exchange but I haven't really met anyone who I think would actually be able to do it.
I have thought about building a dwelling on the land you speak of. Problem is money and know how. Money to build it and know how to build it. I have thought about the uninhabited parts of Alaska because I think it would be interesting to build a city there, a clean one, a green one. Just something I think about.
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Old 10-30-2009, 02:22 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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No it is not illegal to squat on land there or even on federal land or even to prospect and
mine it.
Check out the "Desertphile" video on you tube. He will explain in detail all about it on one of his videos.This guy lives as a hermit in the desert and uses a solar panel to generate enough electricity
to get on the internet and post videos. It is an incredible existence but he has the freedom to come and go as he pleases.
Better there than Alaska.
You could live in a wall tent on some public lands but you couldn't build a cabin.
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Old 11-02-2009, 07:27 AM
 
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Damn it my stomach hurts so bad from all the damn laughing. Great letter I sent it on to everyone I know.
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:02 AM
 
Location: on top of a mountain
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Damn it my stomach hurts so bad from all the damn laughing. Great letter I sent it on to everyone I know.
I came across this letter in attempt to help out a friend in the next town who was having a similar issue when "city people" bought next door and their little brook dried up due to the beavers on his land (way out back on the 100 acres!) damning the brook. They actually hired a lawyer against him without talking to him to find out what or how the water flow stopped....soooo....with modifications to the letter it was sent to the new neighbors lawyer and the new neighbor. Beavers are protected here in this state so you can't shoot or trap them! I gotta call him someday and find out what has happened since!!
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Old 11-03-2009, 10:56 AM
 
Location: POW
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Thats the funniest dam thing I've read in a long dam time!
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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IBeavers are protected here in this state so you can't shoot or trap them!
If you can't shoot them or trap them how do you make hats out of them?
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:00 PM
 
Location: on top of a mountain
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If you can't shoot them or trap them how do you make hats out of them?
there is a handful of people with a special state trapper permits that the towns and state will hire to destroy a damage causing beaver....after many many tons of paperwork, verification that the animal is causing damage deemed a threat to roadways or major land area. the trapper gets to keep the meat and pelts!!
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