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The diet causes the body to enter a state called ketosis, where fat-derived chemicals are and we can say that ketones are burned in response to the absence of carbohydrates. It has been theorized that because tumor cells cannot use ketones for energy, this metabolic change would starve tumor tissue, stunting its growth and improving survival rates for cancer patients.
My nephew did lots of research on his own and uses a combination of organic foods and grains as well as Chinese herbs and mushrooms to promote his health. I know that he is using the Turkey Tail and Chaga mushrooms, but of which have been shown in research to have anti-tumor capabilities. It seems like some of the herbs (e.g. coptis) have the ability to undermine the tumor cell's own immune system capabilities (yes, tumors have ways of protecting themselves). So the combination of the herbs basically first undermine the tumor's cell's protection and then nourish the body's immune system so that it can kill the tumors. I have to say that most people who observed him (even the physicians) couldn't believe that he was ill but then things deteriorated a bit as he veered from his regiment. He started to do stressful things in his life, eat the wrong foods, etc. The big error in judgement was when he took a long trip against everyone's advice.
Here is a link that might interest you. My basically understanding is that the fresher the herbs or mushrooms the more potent. At times he would go mushroom hunting on his own and he has learned how to prepare the mushrooms (they are stone hard) into teas:
Yes, cancer cells do thrive when there is a lack of oxygen. Call it cellular adaptation if you will. My theory is that certain parts of the body become oxygen deprived for a number of reasons (usually accumulated toxins) and in these areas, tumors develop since these are the kind of cells that can survive. The way to address the problem from a holistic perspective is to remove stagnation and thereby rid the body of accumulated toxins.
Yes, cancer cells do thrive when there is a lack of oxygen. Call it cellular adaptation if you will. My theory is that certain parts of the body become oxygen deprived for a number of reasons (usually accumulated toxins) and in these areas, tumors develop since these are the kind of cells that can survive. The way to address the problem from a holistic perspective is to remove stagnation and thereby rid the body of accumulated toxins.
And WHO has this cured so far? And by that I mean with real names and medical records to back it up, not more testimonials. If any area of the body becomes oxygen depleted it dies, and you are in serious trouble. Think serious infection such as gangrene.
The diet causes the body to enter a state called ketosis, where fat-derived chemicals are and we can say that ketones are burned in response to the absence of carbohydrates. It has been theorized that because tumor cells cannot use ketones for energy, this metabolic change would starve tumor tissue, stunting its growth and improving survival rates for cancer patients.
Has this been observed under laboratory conditions or by research?
Has this been observed under laboratory conditions or by research?
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And WHO has this cured so far? And by that I mean with real names and medical records to back it up, not more testimonials. If any area of the body becomes oxygen depleted it dies, and you are in serious trouble. Think serious infection such as gangrene.
This Thomas Seyfried PHD guy is a real scientist and this isn't some bunk pseudoscience or old wives tale. There is a bull out there about diets being an answer to fighting cancer but this is more factual. The guy who wrote that book about fearing cancer no more is not a doctor and went to write about trains. I think so many people are turned off by the lies that were put into his book that they are hesitant to consider Seyfried's findings. A big issue is that many doctors are not familiar with this approach but have heard about the other methods being disproven by the American cancer society. Seyfried's approach is a complementary therapy that anyone with cancer should introduce his or her doctor to. Any doctor worth his or her salt will be able to see and understand the science behind this treatment.
There are three main kinds of metabolic and respiratory processes that cells use to create energy.
(1) Aerobic - the standard Oxygen Phosphorus metabolic process... Glucose or glycogen are chemically reacted in the cell with use of Oxygen
(2) Anaerobic - Glucose or Glycogen are reacted without the presence in Oxygen in lactic acid fermentation. This type of metabolic function is used during power lifting and sprinting when the lungs/heart cannot keep with the cells.. The body can only stay in anaerobic for about a minute.
(3) Ketogenic - When carbohydrates are replaced with saturated fats the body will convert to a secondary metabolic process that creates and utilizes ketones instead of glucose. Inuit and paleo-european man utilize(d) this metabolic function.
All cancer cells use lactic acid fermentation. They can also use some amino acids a well as glucose for this. A ketogenic diet starves cancer of glucose while feeding healthy cells ketones which cancer cannot use. This starves the cancer cells and leads to remission. Unfortunately a few cancer cells like to hide and eat healthy cells so as soon as the diet is ended a recurrence is likely. That is the number one reason to combine this therapy with other methods to completely eliminate the cancer cells. This diet should be used with a doctor to make sure it is done right. Glucose, ketone, uric acid, and electrolyte levels need to be properly watched. Potassium citrate can be useful for preventing uric acid build up.
The diet needs to be calorie restricted and the number of proteins need to be limited or they will convert to glucose. Also special medication is used to block the formation of certain amino acids such as glutamine.
Hyperbaric oxygen could help with this treatment as cancer does not like O2 and there are no harmful side effects of the treatment. Ozone or Hydrogen peroxide therapy is not that same, both are pure forms of free radicals and known to cause cancer. O2 is the only safe oxygen all others are basically a form of bleach, I once saw 30% h2o2 burn a 6" wide hole in floor.
Another interesting treatment that is being worked on is the use of anaerobic bacteria to eat cancer from within. Since no oxygen is used by cancer for growth there is very little oxygen in cancer cells. So anaerobic bacteria will thrive in a cancer environment however when the bacteria reaches healthy oxygen rich cells it dies.
By the way, Thomas Seyfried Phd, teaches at Yale and Boston college and has been working with his students on this research.
I do find it interesting that there is some non bunk in the fear cancer no more book. B-17 is completely bunk however some of the foods that he recommends are know to encourage apoptosis in fat and cancer. Apoptosis promoting foods should aid in Seyfried's approach as long as they don't contain enough carbs to kick the person out of ketosis.
Potential apoptosis foods include:
Turmeric, Ginger
Resveratrol - extracted from red wine
Combining these with ketogenic and hyperbaric therapy should work well.
These can be combined with Chemo, and it might be beneficial to start the ketogenic diet off with a fasting period right before chemo starts. This should slow down the rate of cellular growth of the stomach making it less attacked by the chemo medicine. I wonder about what the optimal timing would be... Going into ketosis might slow the cancer growth and reduced how much it is targeted by the medication, however being in ketosis will make it much harder for cancer cells to repair damage from chemo.
Perhaps one should be given intravenous glucose before chemo to super charge the cancer cells while still lowering the speed of growth in the digest system. Then after the chemo has been able to attach the fast growing cancer cells move into a ketogenic diet to put extra pressure on the cancer. I dunno i'm speculating and I'm not a doctor.
I do find it interesting that there is some non bunk in the fear cancer no more book. B-17 is completely bunk however some of the foods that he recommends are know to encourage apoptosis in fat and cancer. Apoptosis promoting foods should aid in Seyfried's approach as long as they don't contain enough carbs to kick the person out of ketosis.
Potential apoptosis foods include:
Turmeric, Ginger
Resveratrol - extracted from red wine
Combining these with ketogenic and hyperbaric therapy should work well.
These can be combined with Chemo, and it might be beneficial to start the ketogenic diet off with a fasting period right before chemo starts. This should slow down the rate of cellular growth of the stomach making it less attacked by the chemo medicine. I wonder about what the optimal timing would be... Going into ketosis might slow the cancer growth and reduced how much it is targeted by the medication, however being in ketosis will make it much harder for cancer cells to repair damage from chemo.
Perhaps one should be given intravenous glucose before chemo to super charge the cancer cells while still lowering the speed of growth in the digest system. Then after the chemo has been able to attach the fast growing cancer cells move into a ketogenic diet to put extra pressure on the cancer. I dunno i'm speculating and I'm not a doctor.
Just to clarify... Did you see something in my earlier post which you consider inaccurate? Thomas Seyfried's research has been published and peer reviewed and to my knowledge there is no evidence that it is false. I'm only interested in the truth so any useful information would be appreciated!
It's not his research that's faulty. It's the interpretation of it by the likes of Mercola, selective video editing, and overzealous application of pseudo-science added by the anti-pharmaceutical crackpots that's faulty.
Seyfried's research was just that - research. It provided him with a theory, and based on that theory, he came up with a theoretical diet that might be conducive to more efficient healing - primarily in epilepsy patients (which was his specialty). He has applied his research to cancer, and a few other illnesses and disease, on the chance that his theory might prove true. He has never advocated a ketogenic diet as a *cure* for cancer, nor has he ever advocated it as a single treatment. He advocates using it in conjunction with modern pharmaceutical treatments and other mainstream treatments, and is also an advocate of complementary therapy - not replacement for pharmaceuticals.
Furthermore, he does not teach at Yale. He taught neuroscience at Yale, years ago, and was a researcher there. He hasn't been affiliated with Yale in a long time.
Just to clarify... Did you see something in my earlier post which you consider inaccurate? Thomas Seyfried's research has been published and peer reviewed and to my knowledge there is no evidence that it is false. I'm only interested in the truth so any useful information would be appreciated!
When you skew your findings to suit your agenda, I take huge issue with it.
Moderator cut: So far the OP does not seem to have an agenda. OP seems to want to learn and discuss--that's what this forum is about. Rude accusations will not be tolerated.
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