Kratom in San Antonio?

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Originally Posted by Mikala43

That makes no sense.

The FDA states that a certain substance is not approved for human consumption. This means, DO NOT take it. In fact, nobody can legally tell you how much or what kind to take, not the vendor, not anybody. It is in the underground so to speak.

This is not the same as other supplements you get at Walmart or health food store. If you walk into a vitamin store and ask the clerk how much should I take? they will gladly tell you how much is the recommended dose and it even states it on the bottle. There is no similar message on the package of Kratom.

So there is a difference between "not approved" and "not regulated" which is the case for most supplements on the market today, hence the problem we have had with bogus vitamins.

And by the way, I agree that the public should be warned and the product taken off the market if it is making people sick whether it is voluntary or forcefully by the FDA. After all it is their responsibility to do so BUT they already said it wasn't approved AT ALL.

So it's not so much this latest notice that has come out that I have a problem with. It's the fact that it is so prominent in the news, all of the time.

In the past, based on the Salmonella thing, the FDA has been saying to not use ANY Kratom period. When there is an outbreak for chicken, does the government come out and say to stop eating all chicken?

If you don't believe that there is a campaign by the government to ban it then yes, it wouldn't make any sense to you. It's propaganda to try and discredit it's use and demonize it all in the name of $, when it can be beneficial for many people. It's the bigger picture I am looking at, not so much this incident.

Kratom may have public health benefits; on February 4, 2018, nine North American scientists wrote to the Trump Administration to express concerns that restricting access to kratom might reasonably be expected to increase deaths because "people who have found kratom to be their lifeline away from strong opioids will be vulnerable to resumption of that opioid use," whether the use was for pain relief or to combat opioid addiction using kratom as a replacement.

In light of the science on kratom, the FDA's dire warnings make little sense and risk conjuring drug hysteria—a phenomenon characterized by the spreading of biased, sensational stories that can lead to the pursuit of harmful regulatory approaches that are out of proportion to any demonstrated public health risk. Severely restricting access to kratom may, in fact, worsen a legitimate public health crisis by removing access to a harm reduction tool—an alternative to the dangerous and too often deadly opioids heroin and fentanyl. Moreover, people with chronic pain are not always able to access effective medical care, and banning kratom would remove a pain relief option without science-based justification. Instead, the FDA should take regulatory action, immediately passing restrictions on non-adult use and ensuring the purity of kratom products.

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Is Concern Around Kratom 'Drug Hysteria'?

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Here is Big Pharma's answer to Kratom. It will be out eventually. It's called Oliceridine.

Even so, Kroll is confident that “drug companies aren’t going to try to sell kratom, or the individual chemicals in kratom.” Instead, “there’s a company and some research groups that have developed two chemicals that have been found to work on opioid receptors similarly to the chemicals in kratom. They’re not based on kratom, they’re not extracted from kratom, and they were in development before we knew how kratom worked on opioid receptors. One of them is from a company in Pennsylvania called Trevena, and their drug, Oliceridine, is almost FDA-approved; it’s in phase-three clinical trials. And the other one is being worked on by a bunch of groups, including one at the University of North Carolina. Its chemical is just a letter-number designation: PZM21.”

Neither of these substances will directly challenge kratom in the near term. Oliceridine is an intravenous drug designed for use in hospitals to alleviate post-surgical pain — “They’re still trying to develop an oral form,” Kroll says — and PZM21 “is even further away from being realized.”

Last year, the Drug Enforcement Administration wanted to put it on Schedule I,” a designation on par with heroin, “and there’s a lot of correlative evidence that makes it easy for people to fall back on a Big Pharma conspiracy.”

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Inside the War on Kratom in Denver and Beyond