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Yes but this is not typical American white family letting their kids pick some corn in the fields while the play hide and seek. It's migrant children being exploited by farm owners.
And then who is more dangerous? a man who was caught with some pot in his pocket or a Wall Street executive that defrauded thousands of people and charities? To me the second one but those are playing golf right now, they are not in pain begging for an aspirin in a prison facility.
Oh ok, yeah I think that's definitely wrong with the migrant children and being forced to work like that. I don't understand why these Mexicans want to come to the United States and live a life like this. Mexico can be rough, but if they're going to struggle like this in the US, why not struggle like that in Mexico and get some sort of education?
I agree again about our justice system. Somehow, I don't see it changing.. if it were to change our own president should probably be in prison. A great example of this would be Andrew Fastow being free right now. Completely ridiculous.
Well, if we're going to bash the USA, at least it's being done right out in the open instead of the insidious left handed attack threads we always see.
The US has done some terrible things in its past but we cannot change the past. The US has also done good in the world as well so lets not forget that either. the past isn't what we should be worried about as far as the USA is concerned but it's future as the country grows more and more divided. But let's be clear on a few things about the past anyway:
Firstly, the USA originally wanted nothing to do with WWII. Japan attacked first. Had we not defended ourselves there may not have been an ourselves to debate this today. Japan wouldn't go down easy. they even resorted to using specialize planes in suicide missions. Unfortunately as horrible as it was, dropping those two bombs was the only way to get them to surrender. That is the only reason the USA killed so many people. Hitler on the other hand intentionally killed 6 million people in concentration camps and countless other millions in general acts of war. While the relocation camps for Japanese are a dark mark on American history, comparing what we did to what Hitler did is complete insanity!
The bolded part is highly debatable. There's an argument that the Russians were advancing in the Far East, and would have been in a position to take on Japan within a couple of weeks of when we dropped the bomb. This would make an interesting discussion on the History forum.
The bolded part is highly debatable. There's an argument that the Russians were advancing in the Far East, and would have been in a position to take on Japan within a couple of weeks of when we dropped the bomb. This would make an interesting discussion on the History forum.
I don't see any real problems with dropping the bombs. The entire war was stupid, and there's nothing just about going to war. However, Japan attacked the United States on US soil without warning. They deserved every bit of what they got.
I always hear people from other countries talking about how they want to move to America and I don't know why.
I'm from America, born and raised, but America is a terrorist nation. Whether or not people want to believe it, it's true.
America has done so many horrible things in its history and it's so obvious why other conuntries hate us.
One of the many things America did was bomb innocent people in Japan that had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor. That's so disgusting. We killed millions of innocent men, women and children that had absolutely nothing to do with Pearl Harbor at all. Also, we held innocent Japenese people in camps for absolutely no reason. The American government is no different than hitler.
Another one of the many things America did was go to Iraq and Afghanistan for no reason. That dictator bush said that we went there because of September 11th but those countries had absolutely nothing to do with September 11th. You would think that when September 11th happened, we would take the time to think about why it happened. Maybe we should have said to outserelves, "What did America do to deserve this?" But no, we had to go to all these different countries and kill innocent people.
Before anyone says the reason why other countries hate America is because America is "free", just stop. America is not free. It acts like it's this country where everyone is free, and everyone has rights, and unicorns fly around and everything is made of cotton candy, but it's not. Gay and Lesbian people are still not allowed to get married in this country and they don't have the same amount of rights as everyone else so I really wish America would stop acting like it's so free.
Racism and White privelege are also both very big problems in America.A racist, white supremacist like george zimmerman gets no jail time for murdering a young Black man like Trayvon Martin but a woman like Marissa Alexander, an African American woman goes to jail for firing warning shots against her abusive husband for 20 years? That's the definition of white privelege at it's worst.
So would you agree that America is a racist terrorst nation and this country isn't as good as some people think it is?
I know lots of immigrants, and sure most don't agree or even hate America's stupid foreign policy actions and decisions. But that doesn't have anything to do with the good living standard we have here, and THAT is why so many people come here.
So many things wrong, first the bombing of Japan, Japan started it killing INNOCENT BEINGS FROM AMERICA, every country surrendered to us to a war they started EXCEPT japan, only way we could stop it from them killing innocent beings of ours is to bomb them.
The war in Afghanistan was something i could agree with you on, but at the same time we have also HELPED THEM IN SOOOOOO MUCH AID.
Your third paragraph is so wrong, no country is truly free, America actually has A LOT more rights than many other nations, and yes gay people can get married in this country maybe if you researched
The fourth i agree with but this country is still very far from racist those are only TWO incidents that many other countries have had similarities too, those two incidents were very wrong, but than again how many black people who ave shot white people get off???
No I do not agree America is a terrorists nation, look up the definition of terrorist.
I can't believe you think the bombing of Japan was a good thing. We killed innocent people that had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor at all. What America did to Japan when we bombed them is no different than what happened to us in September 11th. America is a terrorist nation.
The bolded part is highly debatable. There's an argument that the Russians were advancing in the Far East, and would have been in a position to take on Japan within a couple of weeks of when we dropped the bomb. This would make an interesting discussion on the History forum.
Interesting indeed. I either didn't know that or had forgotten.
The Just War Theory originates with Saint Augustine circa the 300s. The Just War Theory has been expanded on since by both Protestants and Catholics. American military leaders receive lectures on the Just War Theory. Before the United States existed or could open its blubbering mouth about "war crimes" Catholic and Protestant minds had already been philosophically expounding on that area of ethics for eons.
Modern forms of siege warfare are called economic blockades. Simply using blockades and cutting of the Japanese navy would have eventually brought Japan to surrender.
The fire bombings of Japanese cities (or Dresden, Germany) were as bad as the nuclear bombings. Such fire bombings suck the oxygen out of the air the people on the ground are breathing. It's apocalyptic.
And what about the "great libraries" we are supposed to cry about? I guess if one can't attribute destroying libraries and whole cities and massacring children to Catholics then it's supposed to be alright.
I'm not sure which point you're trying to make here as you're kind of all over the place. Are you saying that the use of nuclear weapons was a war crime? Did we use that term then? Or are you saying that our Christian values were violated by using them? If that's the case, wouldn't any act of war be a violation? I agree about the fire bombings. With Germany, military targets should have been pretty easy to find as the Germans didn't make much attempt to hide them. Why then would we fire bomb the cities? The great libraries? In all this posts, I can't figure out where you're going here.
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The number of nuclear weapons in Russia or the USA are neither here nor there. Both own enough weapons to annihilate the other country. Both by strategic policy will launch theirs--in "massive retaliation"--once the ICBM launches of the others are detected.
In fact not so many years ago Russia went on its highest nuclear alert and was one order away, one turn of the key away, from launching a massive nuclear strike on mainland United States.
The United States had shot a training missile of some sort, had given the Russians advanced notice, however, the notice fell through somewhere along the Russians communication chain of command. When Russian warning systems picked up a missile launched by the USA the Russian President ordered Russia on it's highest nuclear alert and stood minutes away (each nation only has minutes to launch once the others missiles are detected air borne) from giving the order for launch. What stopped the Russian President from giving launch orders was that the missile miraculously veered off course. Had that not happen there would be no USA and Russia as we know it today.
As one military historian--who fought in WWII as well--has predicted, nuclear war will occur and it will occur not by intention but by a series of miscalculations. Like, for example, the USA f*cking around in Ukraine wagering it's no big deal to Chicago, NYC, San Francisco, Oakland, and New Orleans. Major financial hubs and/or port cities of the United States.
Me mentioning the number we had wasn't really something to focus on but I agree with the rest of what you're talking about. I remember that test. The US and Norwegians were testing a rocket that went faster than others. I believe it may have been a weather rocket or something. This was in 1995. Boris Yeltzin had something the called "The Briefcase" (our president has something similar called "The Football") which would have allowed him to auto launch all the missiles at the cold war targets. he came within 8 miinutes of doing so. The fate of the world rested in the hands of a man with a bad drinking problem. A similar incident happened in the US when bombers were sent toward Siberia and they cannot be called back. They returned for some other reason. Turns out, a bear triggered the response system.
Well, if we're going to bash the USA, at least it's being done right out in the open instead of the insidious left handed attack threads we always see.
The US has done some terrible things in its past but we cannot change the past. The US has also done good in the world as well so lets not forget that either. the past isn't what we should be worried about as far as the USA is concerned but it's future as the country grows more and more divided. But let's be clear on a few things about the past anyway:
Firstly, the USA originally wanted nothing to do with WWII. Japan attacked first. Had we not defended ourselves there may not have been an ourselves to debate this today. Japan wouldn't go down easy. they even resorted to using specialize planes in suicide missions. Unfortunately as horrible as it was, dropping those two bombs was the only way to get them to surrender. That is the only reason the USA killed so many people. Hitler on the other hand intentionally killed 6 million people in concentration camps and countless other millions in general acts of war. While the relocation camps for Japanese are a dark mark on American history, comparing what we did to what Hitler did is complete insanity!
I agree about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was even mentioned that we helped the latter a lot as well. my only problem with that is that lots of people in this country also need a lot of help but we Americans are so heartless when it comes to helping out our own. This behavior contributes to the divisiveness and will further help drive people here apart.
America is free. it is more free than many other countries but there are also countries with more personal freedoms than we have so we should get down off that soap box of freedom.
Racial problems exist in many countries but the USA is one of the only ones that have hate crime legislation. Most countries don't so it's not like we aren't doing anything about it.
My post is basically a twin with this post nice job
I'm not saying nuclear weapons in and of themselves were or are a war crime--although one might argue there use are. What I'm stating is that the United States intentionally targeted and massacred noncombatant women and children in the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
It did so with the intent to create awe across the world and inflict terror in Japan and the rest of humanity--with U.S. technological, scientific, nuclear capability.
The fire bombings targeted and massacred non-combatant civilians too. The 20th Century saw an increase of non-combatant civilians being targeted by nations' military forces and ethnic militias for massacres.
The principle of proportionality in the Just War Theory basically states that military force, tactical responses, are only just when kept in proportion to their objective relative to the loss of human life and the lives of non-combatants, that non-combatant death are always to be avoided and never are they to be intentionally targeted.
The nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki violated the Just War Theory. Furthermore, it destroyed infrastructure like "the great libraries." Had some non-professional Catholic forces on horses in the 11th Century raided some city burned the place and destroyed a library you'd never hear the end of the horror of "destroying the great libraries" from the same secular, American champions of the nuclear bombing of Japan and fire bombing from the sky over half that country. Leaving countless number of children to be born of deformities and retardation.
While the nuclear massacres of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are celebrated in the United States, Hollywood and everyone else celebrating those massacre, demonize the Catholic Church and Christianity for massacre at Jerusalem during what anti-Catholics term "The Crusades." Those where men that were not even a professional military force, that in fact operated in a typical fashion of their era, if a city refused to surrender it knew it stood the risk of facing a massacre. Kind of like if Japan refused to surrender it faced the consequences of a massacre. Both were wrong. The tools used to carry out the massacre are neither here nor there. However, the Vatican did not green light the massacre, but Washington D.C. (the American secular Vatican) did green light the massacre of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
This is why the United States is a pimpocracy and not a democracy. Just like several pimps have their own "stables" just about all Americans are in the stable of one pimp or another in the United States. They're called political interest groups.
I don't know what's going on in the Ukraine and Russia and don't care much. But I'm just listening to the street pimp language the Americans are using. Phrases like "the international community." Who's this "international community" these pimps are talking about? Nigeria? Guatemala?
No, they're talking about their imperial homies: Canada, France, the UK etc.
The pimp Obama (who I unfortunately voted for) gets up and starts running his pimp game of "gift of gab" sh*t, talking about the Ukrainian people have a right to determine their future. What the h*ll pimp sh*t is this? Since the OP mentioned gay marriage in his first post isn't Pimp Obama and D.C. (which belongs to no state) the one's opposing Americans through their "democratic" right to determine their future if they want gay marriage constitutionally banned in their own state laws and governments? And Pimp Obama is all about using the Federal forces to push the minority privileges or wants over the majority of the American population. Not so unlike the heroic Russian President Putin is using his Federal forces to help out the pro-Russian Ukrainians begging for Russian help and protection, even if they are the minorities with wants.
I do know Kiev has a centuries long connection to Russia. A longer connection to Russia than California has to Maryland.
Obama wants some "freedom"? Stop the war on drugs. How much money and how many lives between the U.S. and Mexico is that destroying? Leave the Ukrainians to Russia. You don't see Russia over here meddling in U.S. neo-colonization of Mexico pushing it to carry out some bloody and financially costly drug war. Legalize cocaine and Walmart pharmacies would put the Mexican cocaine cartels out of business overnight. You don't see Miller Brewing Company and Coors out having drive-by's with Tommy Guns like Al Capone's prohibition Chicago do you?
You know, I can't really argue with you here. You have made some very valid points.
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