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The only part of the Caribbean I have any interest in is the Spanish Caribbean, and in addition to having been there, Latin American studies is a part of my undergraduate degree. I originally posted about Latin America and yes there's plenty of evidence of a common identity among them. It's something g that you and. CaribNy and yourself can't stand it because of your own issues, but you won't find any Dominican, Cuban, or Puerto Rican claiming solidarity with the non Spanish islands. In fact many identify as mixed race and which entails being partially of actual Spanish descent.
So basically you have no proof of what you claim with regard to the English-speaking Caribbean and it shows. That's good that you have been to the Spanish Caribbean and are doing partial studies on the region, but not exactly sure what your point is for mentioning that. Congrats to you, but be aware, that is far less exposure than many of us have in this thread.
Point out where in my posts there is any discussion about the common identity among Spanish Caribbean people. That is your discussion with caribny of which I am not a part. Not sure where you are getting this cant stand claim. The same goes for the solidarity issue. Dont try to place an opinion on me that was never given because you are failing to prove your points.
It's common knowledge that many identify as mixed-race because that is what they are. As a mixed person, I am in support of claiming all of their heritages.
Once again, maybe it is your random experiences in the States that causes such a strange obsession with the West Indies/English-speaking Caribbean. So much so that you seem to have chip on your shoulder with regard to the English-speaking Caribbean and its identity. Please keep those mentalities there and gain real exposure to the nations about which you would like to converse.
So basically you have no proof of what you claim with regard to the English-speaking Caribbean and it shows. That's good that you have been to the Spanish Caribbean and are doing partial studies on the region, but not exactly sure what your point is for mentioning that. Congrats to you, but be aware, that is far less exposure than many of us have in this thread.
Point out where in my posts there is any discussion about the common identity among Spanish Caribbean people. That is your discussion with caribny of which I am not a part. Not sure where you are getting this cant stand claim. The same goes for the solidarity issue. Dont try to place an opinion on me that was never given because you are failing to prove your points.
It's common knowledge that many identify as mixed-race because that is what they are. As a mixed person, I am in support of claiming all of their heritages.
Once again, maybe it is your random experiences in the States that causes such a strange obsession with the West Indies/English-speaking Caribbean. So much so that you seem to have chip on your shoulder with regard to the English-speaking Caribbean and its identity. Please keep those mentalities there and gain real exposure to the nations about which you would like to converse.
DUDE.
Apparently literacy is not your strong point.
I actually spoke about Latin America and how people in the Spanish Caribbean are much closer to other Latinos than they are too non Spanish Caribbean people.
Not only is that true, it's also not showing any concern about the English Caribbean whatsoever. The statement is about the Spanish Caribbean. That's my entire conversation on this thread. I have no interest or concern about the English speaking Caribbean, I do not care to converse about them, and they are amon the LAST places in the world I will be visiting, being that I have no interest in them and it has nothing to do with anyone I met in the United States. So don't project.
I actually spoke about Latin America and how people in the Spanish Caribbean are much closer to other Latinos than they are too non Spanish Caribbean people.
Not only is that true, it's also not showing any concern about the English Caribbean whatsoever. The statement is about the Spanish Caribbean. That's my entire conversation on this thread. I have no interest or concern about the English speaking Caribbean, I do not care to converse about them, and they are amon the LAST places in the world I will be visiting, being that I have no interest in them and it has nothing to do with anyone I met in the United States. So don't project.
Firstly, I am a woman. Obviously you're an overly excited college student going through a know-it-all stage. Hopefully you will grow up. It would behoove you not to get into literacy, education or exposure comparisons with random people.
It is common sense that the Spanish Caribbean would be closer to the Spanish-speaking nations. Who is arguing otherwise? No one.
If you have no interest in the English-speaking Caribbean/West Indies, then refrain from making false statements about it and its people.
You have never lived in the English-speaking Caribbean nor want to visit any of the islands. You are uneducated about the nations but yet you claim to know how West Indians perceive Latinos, their identities etc. There are many islands with varying cultures, heritages, influences, perceptions, priorities etc., making your comments nonsensical.
Now you're claiming your statements have nothing to do with your interactions in the U.S., specifically, NYC, but you have not visited nor want to visit those islands.
So then you are admitting that your statements are unfounded. You choose to make assumptions about people you know little to nothing about and supposedly have no interest in.
That is a strange obsession that reeks of ignorance and lack of education, formal or otherwise.
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I actually spoke about Latin America and how people in the Spanish Caribbean are much closer to other Latinos than they are too non Spanish Caribbean people.
Not true.... I have been to South America and people don't even know much about Caribbean latinos.
Dominicans in Argentina for example most likely will go through culture shock, while Dominicans in Jamaica most likely will find similarities (other than language)
Puerto Ricans are virtually unknown!!! Considering PR is a tiny island with just 3 million people and virtually no presence in South America, it's only expected South Americans won't know much about them.
The vast majority of the posters in this thread have stated that English speaking islands are not Latino. Where do you get that English speaking islanders care that Latinos don't identify with them? What thread are you reading? English speaking islanders do not like being lumped in with Latin America because we feel it diminishes our individuality as nations and as a unique culture. Your assertions run completely counter to reality.
Are you talking about about the way Blackness is defined in different parts of the Americas and how some Latinos are accused of denying their Blackness? That is a totally different and extremely complex discussion. CaribNY posed an interesting question about the DR as compared to Bolivia and TnT. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it as there is a thing called Caribbean culture which both DR and TnT possess.
The vast majority of the posters in this thread have stated that English speaking islands are not Latino. Where do you get that English speaking islanders care that Latinos don't identify with them? What thread are you reading? English speaking islanders do not like being lumped in with Latin America because we feel it diminishes our individuality as nations and as a unique culture. Your assertions run completely counter to reality.
Are you talking about about the way Blackness is defined in different parts of the Americas and how some Latinos are accused of denying their Blackness? That is a totally different and extremely complex discussion. CaribNY posed an interesting question about the DR as compared to Bolivia and TnT. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it as there is a thing called Caribbean culture which both DR and TnT possess.
The second paragraph is what I am talking about. Being that the Dominican Republic chose to join an union with Central America, that's certainly an indication that they identity with other Spanish speaking nations much more than they do the non Spanish Caribbean. It's just a fact,
Not true.... I have been to South America and people don't even know much about Caribbean latinos.
Dominicans in Argentina for example most likely will go through culture shock, while Dominicans in Jamaica most likely will find similarities (other than language)
Puerto Ricans are virtually unknown!!! Considering PR is a tiny island with just 3 million people and virtually no presence in South America, it's only expected South Americans won't know much about them.
Dominicans likely will not go through culture shock in Venezuela, Colombia, or Northern South America. Or even Portuguese speaking Brazil. Or for that matter Central America.
The second paragraph is what I am talking about. Being that the Dominican Republic chose to join an union with Central America, that's certainly an indication that they identity with other Spanish speaking nations much more than they do the non Spanish Caribbean. It's just a fact,
The DR does identify with other Latinos more than it does the English speaking Caribbean. Thats not really debatable. Some of it is cultural, some of it is good business. I don't know who in this thread is really debating that. The question (you were referencing my post) is which one is more similar though between Bolivia and TnT in relation to the DR. There is a specific reason CaribNY chose Bolivia. As you are well aware all Latin American nations are not the same. Is the shared colonial history under Spain enough to make the DR more similar to Bolivia, a very different Latin American nation, over TnT an island that was under Spanish rule for a time and has a shared Caribbean culture?
I am a little puzzled as to why you keep asserting that the Spanish Caribbean is closer to Latin America overall than it is to the English speaking Caribbean as if anyone said otherwise. I don't recall anyone debating that. Some questioned the strength of the ties among Latin American countries but thats different than what you are debating.
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