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Old 06-26-2015, 03:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It is our issue. The DR is an American territory whose citizens have legal status in America.

I was wrong about the DR being a U.S. Territory. Disregard my post.
It's disregarded! How obtuse are Americans to not know the difference between Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic which shares a island with Haiti?

 
Old 06-26-2015, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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The Dominicans are treating the haitian people like animals smh...

https://youtu.be/DP_WXJ9vmPc
What the hell? Can't you not read what the link says? A Haitian killed a Dominican student, of course they're going to attack Haitians.

I swear, Puerto Ricans are acting like they don't treat Dominicans worse in PR than Dominicans treat Haitians.

FIND ME A VIDEO IN WHICH DOMINICANS ATTACK HAITIANS JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE HAITIANS

This is insane.

Lets ship thousands of Haitians to PR, since you feel so sorry for them. End of story. Let them illegally enter the commonwealth and let them breed like rabbits.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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Its not. For one thing, its somewhat arrogant to assume that we know what is best for them. And, how we enforce our immigration laws has nothing to do with how other countries enforce theirs.
Thank you.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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I don't think you can always tell Dominicans from Haitians based on appearance. I know several lighter skinned Haitians and many darker skinned Dominicans with more African features. But generally, they are different in appearance.

I think the other points you make are important.

1. Haiti is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere so it only makes senses that many Haitians will cross into the Dominican Republic. However, the DR isn't that well off either and can't support the massive migration, especially after the devastating Haitian earthquake. The U.S. and Europe (i.e. France) should make it easier for Haitians to seek refugee status and ease the burden on the DR. The economic statutes and subsequent tense race relations, in my opinion, are the fault of European colonizers anyway...but I won't get into all of that.

2. There have been a lot of calls to boycott the Dominican Republic, which really annoys me because the DR is a place where people go vacation...drink cheap beer/alcohol, party, take advantage of favorable exchange rates, and for many even find cheap thrills. But now people want to have a social conscious.

The Dominican Republic has every right to uphold fair immigration policies just like any other sovereign nation. And let's not pretend they're the only country with race issues. I don't agree with all aspects of the law, but the issue is much more complicated and people aren't fairly looking at both sides.
That's the basic gist of it. They are enforcing their immigration laws, just like every other country does. They are not picking Haitian's up and throwing them in concentration camps. They are not picking Haitian's up and putting them in cages, like the Bahamas (yet no body says anything about them). Nobody has helped Haitians more than Dominicans. Everyone feels sorry for them, yet nobody want's to help. They leave the DR to carry that burden, a poor country that can't sustain thousands of poorer people.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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If a country imposes a law that renders people stateless (without a country) then there is a violation of international law that is the concern of every country.
DR constitution states that you have to be born in DR to at least one Dominican parent to be a Dominican citizen. Why is it anyone's business? That law was a great idea because then Haitians would just cross the border and reproduce like rabbits. Do you think that the DR has no right to defend their border? The US sure as hell deports thousands upon thousand of Mexicans and Dominicans every year. The difference with anchor babies in the US is that the US is a huge country with a lot of open land that can afford to provide citizenship to anchor babies. The DR? 2/3rd's of a small island would cease to exist. I mean, 20% of the DR population is composed of illegal Haitians. Let that sink in.

By the way, many of those Haitians born in DR have no papers. The DR requires paperwork to legalize many of these Haitians, whether it's from the parents or whomever. Guess who is taking advantage of that situation and OVERCHARGING Haitians for documents? The Haitian government. They make it so that the average Haitian can't afford their documents to prove their identity. Yet, again, nobody says anything to the Haitian government.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 07:45 AM
 
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And, how we enforce our immigration laws has nothing to do with how other countries enforce theirs.
Millions of people in the U.S and internationally - Dominicans included - are demanding that we change our U.S immigration laws out of pity for illegal aliens and their children.

Why should we, when those same people, like the above poster Super Mario, are defending the decision in the Dominican republic, saying that it's the right thing to do.

"Latinos" don't practice what they preach to us.

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Old 06-26-2015, 07:48 AM
 
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They are enforcing their immigration laws, just like every other country does.
Fine. Let's start enforcing our immigration laws. We can start in NYC, in your neighborhood.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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Millions of people in the U.S and internationally - Dominicans included - are demanding that we change our U.S immigration laws out of pity for illegal aliens and their children . . .
"Latinos" don't practice what they preach to us.
There is plenty of controversy in the US about immigration laws, and not all of it comes from Latinos.

I am simply suggesting that every sovereign nation has the right to set its own immigration policies in accordance with their own political processes. This includes both the US and the DR. By what rationale do we, as freedom-loving Americans: (1) decide to favor the welfare of Haitians over that of Dominicans, and (2) put pressure on DR, a sovereign nation, to change their policies?
 
Old 06-26-2015, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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Fine. Let's start enforcing our immigration laws. We can start in NYC, in your neighborhood.
GO RIGHT AHEAD. That has NOTHING to do with the topic. Stop with these straw man arguments.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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GO RIGHT AHEAD. That has NOTHING to do with the topic.
It does. I started the topic, so I know what it's about.

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Stop with these straw man arguments.
You are clearly not familiar with what a straw man argument is.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of Dominicans in the United States, of questionable legal status, who protest for "immigrant rights" here in the states, but support the recent decision made in their home country.
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