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Can you give an example of where in Central America democracy has been brought and established? I'm pretty familiar with US involvemene in Central America and most left negative effects.
The removal of Noriega allowed Panama to restore its democracy and it has been there since.
And Nicaragua
And Guatemala
And Honduras
And Colombia
Even lovelier. Why doesn't the US intervene anymore, we need more countries like El Salvador and Honduras in the world
Yeah, it's been the entire region.
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It is probably an LA export. Salvadoreans arrived in big numbers in LA at a time when Crips were having their famous feud with the Bloods. I live in DC and we have hundreds of thousands of Salvadoreans here but they never took to gangs like in LA. There is no serious gang issue in the Salvadorean communities here.
I teach ESL and I can tell you that when my students from Salvador talk about visiting their small towns in El Salvador they tell me gang members come and ask them how long they will be in town then request a "security" bribe depending on the length of stay.
Yes it is an LA export for sure. Thats messed up the students have to pay the security bribe, that's terrible.
My wife is going to El Salvador this week to visit relatives. I admit I am bit worried this time.
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And Nicaragua
And Guatemala
And Honduras
And Colombia
Even lovelier. Why doesn't the US intervene anymore, we need more countries like El Salvador and Honduras in the world
All of those places were just incense and peppermints before the US got involved. They'd be utopias today without any interaction with US in the past.
I think I know the history. This is 2016, not 1980. If your mind stays mired in the past, you are doomed to stay there. You should also consider the predilection that many Latin Americans have for communism. Every time they drag a country down that path, it has disastrous consequences. How many times does communism have to fail down there before that very salient fact reaches the majority?
We don´t live in the past, we simply read our history so we don´t repeat it again.
Can you tell me where do the US boundaries finish?
No, but American intervention made the situation in these countries worse.
Fortunately or unfortunately, we will never know if this is accurate. A sad reality of war is that it almost always has to escalate to the point of being intolerable before there is surrender or peace. "War is hell" is not an overstatement. Many of these wars could have dragged on indefinitely as low level conflicts. I'm not saying that would have been the certain outcome, but it is certainly a very real possibility.
Can you call this democracy? I will call it disguised corruption, where the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer.
It's more of a democracy than what they had under Noriega. The fact that it is corrupt is a reflection of culture and it's up to the people to change it. Changing a culture is a much greater task. In that regard, the US have been extremely naive.
Fortunately or unfortunately, we will never know if this is accurate. A sad reality of war is that it almost always has to escalate to the point of being intolerable before there is surrender or peace. "War is hell" is not an overstatement. Many of these wars could have dragged on indefinitely as low level conflicts. I'm not saying that would have been the certain outcome, but it is certainly a very real possibility.
In the case of Guatemala, the US actually triggered the armed conflict by over throwing the president Jacobo Arbenz, who by the way was democratically elected. They continued to add fuel to the fire be sending guns to some of the most brutal dictators in Guatemala, probably the worst in all of Latin America.
The US also added fuel to the fire in the Contra war by illegally funding the contras. There were several different contra groups, some were clearly created with the help of the US.
For those that don't know who the contras were...
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From an early stage, the rebels received financial and military support from the United States government, and their military significance decisively depended on it. After US support was banned by Congress, the Reagan administration covertly continued it. These covert activities culminated in the Iran–Contra affair.
In the case of Guatemala, the US actually triggered the armed conflict by over throwing the president Jacobo Arbenz, who by the way was democratically elected. They continued to add fuel to the fire be sending guns to some of the most brutal dictators in Guatemala, probably the worst in all of Latin America.
The US also added fuel to the fire in the Contra war by illegally funding the contras. There were several different contra groups, some were clearly created with the help of the US.
You missed my point regarding the sometimes necessary brutality of war. As for the Contras, let's just say I know a little bit about them.
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