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First off that come from some "Hispanic" themselves.... I member once as a kid I argue with a Mexican kid, that if I born in Mexico I would be Mexican he said no because I'm black. Logically this doesn't make sense but to him you can't be black and Mexican.
Hispanic and Latino would not makes sense in Latin America because every one is, how ever Mejorar la raza and Blanqueamiento are.
The Fact that Hispanic themselves often think of themselves as a race, reflects the idealism of race from those counties, how Mexican, Brazilian, Colombian So how suppose to look. White to tan, And the discrimination against those that don't.
Exactly, which is why I say it just doesn't work the same way. I also would argue most people trying to argue that LA is more racist than the US are probably racists themeselves, not all though. I mean how insecure are you to argue that?
Definitely. To justify their own racism, they want to point their fingers at other countries and claim it's worse.
Also a look of propaganda is put out by certain American interests to frighten Americans to not visit other countries. Anytime an American lives the country, for vacation or for work or for study, that's money that is leaving the US economy.
So there are those who have an agenda to push the rest of the world outside the US as some horrible place.
There's also been a tradition of African Americans at times leaving the US for Europe or for Latin America or other places when they don't want to deal with racism in the US. This makes Black American nationalists hysterical, as they lose people this way. So these Black nationalists have the urge to create horror stories of other countries.
I lived briefly in two Latin American countries: Cuba and Panama. Also, I've studied many world cultures in depth.
Here's the thing about Latin America: political correctness is virtually non-existent. People say what's on their minds and don't seem to care. That's how it is in most parts of the world outside the U.S., Canada, and Northwestern Europe. When you take this into consideration, you'll realize Latin America isn't much more racist than the U.S. Classist? Yes. But racist? Debatable.
Honestly, 15 years ago, the OP may have had a point. However, the U.S. has become a very racially divided country over the last 15 years with tons of identity politics and quasi-nationalism on all fronts, including the rise of the Alt-Right, white/black/Chicano extremist groups, etc. Plus, the mainstream media race baits and tries to keep people divided any chance it gets and people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. Today, I don't see how people can keep peddling the idea that the U.S. is this kumbaya singing utopia compared to Latin America.
Of course, "Latin America" itself is a massive region full of different countries to begin with. I see no evidence that the U.S. embraces its black population and roots any more than Puerto Rico, Venezuela, modern day Cuba, Uruguay, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic and Panama. In all those countries, blackness is treated as the norm, even by the white population. They also embrace African traditions through music like salsa, mambo, Bachata, cambomde, etc. as well as preservation of Yoruba spirituality.
Im Uruguay, more than 100,000 people worship a Yoruba god/goddess and the number is even greater in Cuba and Brazil. Also, Santeria is widely practiced and sometimes embraced as opposed to being "evil." Even in New Orleans, white Americans don't mess with voodoo or African rooted spirituality. Also, many whites in those countries, excluding Uruguay, don't mind embracing black roots as part of their identity along with the Spanish and Native identity. In Puerto Rico and Venezuela, even whites will often say they have black blood in them even without proof. Most White Americans will almost never acknowledge having black blood in them even with proof. It's too stigmatized in the U.S. due to the one drop rule which doesn't exist in most of Latin America.
Now, Colombia and Brazil have much more racial issues involving blacks in comparison mainly because of the segregation in both countries. Colombia is divided primarily into five regions: the Andean Region(full of whites and Mestizos), the Caribbean(full of Tri-racials, mulattoes, and blacks), the Pacific(full of blacks and Zambos), the Amazon(full of Amerindians and Mestizos), and the Orinoquia(which is more of a melting pot). Generally, the biggest divide is between the Andean region and the Pacific/Caribbean/Amazonian regions. Also, in Brazil, there is a big divide between South Brazil(which is mostly white like Uruguay) and Northeast Brazil(which has tons of Pardos and blacks along with others).
Nevertheless, many Colombians and Brazilians still have a normalized view of blackness in spite of their racial/regional divides because of the large black and mixed populations. A black Brazilian generally shares the same culture as a white Brazilian and they both will reach that consensus. The same holds true for white and black Colombians. Despite their divides, they're still more unified than white and black Americans today imho.
And, generally speaking, other Latin American countries with smaller black populations have far more of an issue with racism towards Indigenous than blacks. Such cases include Argentina, Chile, Northern Mexico, Peru, Guatemala, and El Salvador. Then, you have countries that have equal racism towards both like Honduras and Nicaragua.
As you can see, the U.S. hardly treats Natives any better than Latin America. Many Natives in the U.S. have to deal with racism, poverty, homelessness, alcoholism, police brutality, etc. in areas that are filled with Native Americans.
Generally speaking, a lot of racism in Latin America is driven by regionalism/nationalism and class. Haitians are treated poorly in the DR but black Dominicans don't have to deal with those issues. Black Colombians are treated poorly in Venezuela but black Venezuelans don't have that same stigma. Also, countries like Chile, Mexico, Brazil, and Venezuela have really opened up their doors to Haitian immigrants and there's no particular right wing extremists threatening their lives or attacking them. Also, Chile may have problems with indigenous looking Peruvian/Bolivian immigrants but the local Mapuche are treated pretty fine there.
It's hard to explain because it's so complex. Plus, not every Latin American country is the same. One thing I will say is that the U.S. beauty standards aren't as Eurocentric as Latin America's. That's a fact and something that needs to change since many black and Indigenous Latinas in particular suffer low self esteem because of it. However, when it comes to actual manifestations of racism/xenophobia, I don't see how Latin America is any worse than the U.S. today. I'm serious.
I lived briefly in two Latin American countries: Cuba and Panama. Also, I've studied many world cultures in depth.
Here's the thing about Latin America: political correctness is virtually non-existent. People say what's on their minds and don't seem to care. That's how it is in most parts of the world outside the U.S., Canada, and Northwestern Europe. When you take this into consideration, you'll realize Latin America isn't much more racist than the U.S. Classist? Yes. But racist? Debatable.
Honestly, 15 years ago, the OP may have had a point. However, the U.S. has become a very racially divided country over the last 15 years with tons of identity politics and quasi-nationalism on all fronts, including the rise of the Alt-Right, white/black/Chicano extremist groups, etc. Plus, the mainstream media race baits and tries to keep people divided any chance it gets and people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. Today, I don't see how people can keep peddling the idea that the U.S. is this kumbaya singing utopia compared to Latin America.
Of course, "Latin America" itself is a massive region full of different countries to begin with. I see no evidence that the U.S. embraces its black population and roots any more than Puerto Rico, Venezuela, modern day Cuba, Uruguay, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic and Panama. In all those countries, blackness is treated as the norm, even by the white population. They also embrace African traditions through music like salsa, mambo, Bachata, cambomde, etc. as well as preservation of Yoruba spirituality.
Im Uruguay, more than 100,000 people worship a Yoruba god/goddess and the number is even greater in Cuba and Brazil. Also, Santeria is widely practiced and sometimes embraced as opposed to being "evil." Even in New Orleans, white Americans don't mess with voodoo or African rooted spirituality. Also, many whites in those countries, excluding Uruguay, don't mind embracing black roots as part of their identity along with the Spanish and Native identity. In Puerto Rico and Venezuela, even whites will often say they have black blood in them even without proof. Most White Americans will almost never acknowledge having black blood in them even with proof. It's too stigmatized in the U.S. due to the one drop rule which doesn't exist in most of Latin America.
Now, Colombia and Brazil have much more racial issues involving blacks in comparison mainly because of the segregation in both countries. Colombia is divided primarily into five regions: the Andean Region(full of whites and Mestizos), the Caribbean(full of Tri-racials, mulattoes, and blacks), the Pacific(full of blacks and Zambos), the Amazon(full of Amerindians and Mestizos), and the Orinoquia(which is more of a melting pot). Generally, the biggest divide is between the Andean region and the Pacific/Caribbean/Amazonian regions. Also, in Brazil, there is a big divide between South Brazil(which is mostly white like Uruguay) and Northeast Brazil(which has tons of Pardos and blacks along with others).
Nevertheless, many Colombians and Brazilians still have a normalized view of blackness in spite of their racial/regional divides because of the large black and mixed populations. A black Brazilian generally shares the same culture as a white Brazilian and they both will reach that consensus. The same holds true for white and black Colombians. Despite their divides, they're still more unified than white and black Americans today imho.
And, generally speaking, other Latin American countries with smaller black populations have far more of an issue with racism towards Indigenous than blacks. Such cases include Argentina, Chile, Northern Mexico, Peru, Guatemala, and El Salvador. Then, you have countries that have equal racism towards both like Honduras and Nicaragua.
As you can see, the U.S. hardly treats Natives any better than Latin America. Many Natives in the U.S. have to deal with racism, poverty, homelessness, alcoholism, police brutality, etc. in areas that are filled with Native Americans.
Generally speaking, a lot of racism in Latin America is driven by regionalism/nationalism and class. Haitians are treated poorly in the DR but black Dominicans don't have to deal with those issues. Black Colombians are treated poorly in Venezuela but black Venezuelans don't have that same stigma. Also, countries like Chile, Mexico, Brazil, and Venezuela have really opened up their doors to Haitian immigrants and there's no particular right wing extremists threatening their lives or attacking them. Also, Chile may have problems with indigenous looking Peruvian/Bolivian immigrants but the local Mapuche are treated pretty fine there.
It's hard to explain because it's so complex. Plus, not every Latin American country is the same. One thing I will say is that the U.S. beauty standards aren't as Eurocentric as Latin America's. That's a fact and something that needs to change since many black and Indigenous Latinas in particular suffer low self esteem because of it. However, when it comes to actual manifestations of racism/xenophobia, I don't see how Latin America is any worse than the U.S. today. I'm serious.
Interesting, tell more about the beauty standards of women?
Latin America is also more progressive in a literal sense, not compared to the US where everything is white guilt, political correctness, forced diversity into everything, 100 genders, 3rd wave feminism [It is though starting to gain its ground in countries like Argentina, Mexico and Bolivia I did heard], etc.
I lived briefly in two Latin American countries: Cuba and Panama. Also, I've studied many world cultures in depth.
Here's the thing about Latin America: political correctness is virtually non-existent. People say what's on their minds and don't seem to care. That's how it is in most parts of the world outside the U.S., Canada, and Northwestern Europe. When you take this into consideration, you'll realize Latin America isn't much more racist than the U.S. Classist? Yes. But racist? Debatable.
Honestly, 15 years ago, the OP may have had a point. However, the U.S. has become a very racially divided country over the last 15 years with tons of identity politics and quasi-nationalism on all fronts, including the rise of the Alt-Right, white/black/Chicano extremist groups, etc. Plus, the mainstream media race baits and tries to keep people divided any chance it gets and people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. Today, I don't see how people can keep peddling the idea that the U.S. is this kumbaya singing utopia compared to Latin America.
Of course, "Latin America" itself is a massive region full of different countries to begin with. I see no evidence that the U.S. embraces its black population and roots any more than Puerto Rico, Venezuela, modern day Cuba, Uruguay, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic and Panama. In all those countries, blackness is treated as the norm, even by the white population. They also embrace African traditions through music like salsa, mambo, Bachata, cambomde, etc. as well as preservation of Yoruba spirituality.
Im Uruguay, more than 100,000 people worship a Yoruba god/goddess and the number is even greater in Cuba and Brazil. Also, Santeria is widely practiced and sometimes embraced as opposed to being "evil." Even in New Orleans, white Americans don't mess with voodoo or African rooted spirituality. Also, many whites in those countries, excluding Uruguay, don't mind embracing black roots as part of their identity along with the Spanish and Native identity. In Puerto Rico and Venezuela, even whites will often say they have black blood in them even without proof. Most White Americans will almost never acknowledge having black blood in them even with proof. It's too stigmatized in the U.S. due to the one drop rule which doesn't exist in most of Latin America.
Now, Colombia and Brazil have much more racial issues involving blacks in comparison mainly because of the segregation in both countries. Colombia is divided primarily into five regions: the Andean Region(full of whites and Mestizos), the Caribbean(full of Tri-racials, mulattoes, and blacks), the Pacific(full of blacks and Zambos), the Amazon(full of Amerindians and Mestizos), and the Orinoquia(which is more of a melting pot). Generally, the biggest divide is between the Andean region and the Pacific/Caribbean/Amazonian regions. Also, in Brazil, there is a big divide between South Brazil(which is mostly white like Uruguay) and Northeast Brazil(which has tons of Pardos and blacks along with others).
Nevertheless, many Colombians and Brazilians still have a normalized view of blackness in spite of their racial/regional divides because of the large black and mixed populations. A black Brazilian generally shares the same culture as a white Brazilian and they both will reach that consensus. The same holds true for white and black Colombians. Despite their divides, they're still more unified than white and black Americans today imho.
And, generally speaking, other Latin American countries with smaller black populations have far more of an issue with racism towards Indigenous than blacks. Such cases include Argentina, Chile, Northern Mexico, Peru, Guatemala, and El Salvador. Then, you have countries that have equal racism towards both like Honduras and Nicaragua.
As you can see, the U.S. hardly treats Natives any better than Latin America. Many Natives in the U.S. have to deal with racism, poverty, homelessness, alcoholism, police brutality, etc. in areas that are filled with Native Americans.
Generally speaking, a lot of racism in Latin America is driven by regionalism/nationalism and class. Haitians are treated poorly in the DR but black Dominicans don't have to deal with those issues. Black Colombians are treated poorly in Venezuela but black Venezuelans don't have that same stigma. Also, countries like Chile, Mexico, Brazil, and Venezuela have really opened up their doors to Haitian immigrants and there's no particular right wing extremists threatening their lives or attacking them. Also, Chile may have problems with indigenous looking Peruvian/Bolivian immigrants but the local Mapuche are treated pretty fine there.
It's hard to explain because it's so complex. Plus, not every Latin American country is the same. One thing I will say is that the U.S. beauty standards aren't as Eurocentric as Latin America's. That's a fact and something that needs to change since many black and Indigenous Latinas in particular suffer low self esteem because of it. However, when it comes to actual manifestations of racism/xenophobia, I don't see how Latin America is any worse than the U.S. today. I'm serious.
Contemporarily you'll find a number of Blacks in major Colombian cities like Bogota and Medellin. No Black Colombian is moving to Venezuela these days. It would be the other way around, Venezuelans of any race move to Colombia.
Otherwise you have a very good post and made excellent/fantastic points.
There's this idea in latin America that if people are mix or if people have relations with people of different color there no racism.
This is flawed....... even slave holders had sexual relations with slaves in both countries this doesn't mean they saw people of different colors equal. There was still a social order of racism starting with idea of slaves and masters in the first place.
But in latin America there as a Racial caste system to deal with non whites and mix people. It's not like the US racism but yet still a very very very racist idea.
Obviously the US is not racism free that isn't my point, my point is Latin America is behind the US in terms of racial inequality.
I feel like US and Brazil in terms of racial equality is like like rabbit vs the turtle, The US "the turtle" with Jim crow was obliviously behind Latin America "rabbit" in terms of racial equality pre 60's,
but Latin America countries declare themselves racial democracies with nothing to fix, when they did,
Since then US outlawed Jim Crow, and started addressing issues, And The US has made all kinds of more black/ other minorities and etc firsts, While Latin countries are behind income, media, achievements, education, government compared to the US.
this is done by AI, they will consider the average Brazilian to be black as they think in Anglo-Saxon terms and a mixed-race Brazilian will be considered black. I dont think the Brazilian police goes out to kill black people, the favelas are full of people of all races. And as guiterhero45 said, beauty standards in LA TV are more eurocentric than on the US.
Donald Trump, a Nazi, won the election as a part of a massive backlash against the nation's first black president.
In terms of African religions/spirituality, music, food being much more widely embraced in Latin America, this is very true.
Right, but I am sure unlike in the US, not everyone will go with calling Trump an alt-righter, Nazi, etc and go on with their own business.
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