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Old 03-03-2018, 11:30 PM
 
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You don't have non Black Colombians speaking either Jamaican creole or Palenquero.
Not so true anymore, you now have non black Colombians speaking San Andres creole (less like Jamaican creole, more Bajan/Belizean Kriol). These are second/third generation of continental Colombians that moved to and mixed with San Andres Raizales some decades ago...






 
Old 03-04-2018, 04:42 AM
 
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Not so true anymore, you now have non black Colombians speaking San Andres creole (less like Jamaican creole, more Bajan/Belizean Kriol). These are second/third generation of continental Colombians that moved to and mixed with San Andres Raizales some decades ago...





Dude music videos show nothing. Now if you had demographics from the Colombian government that would show something.

I’m sure the vast majority of people speaking Creole are Black Natives of San Andres. There are divisions in how people in Colombia speak based on race and that’s based on history. Creole and Palenquero are mostly spoken by Blacks.
 
Old 03-04-2018, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, TX
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Latin America is more obsessed with socio-economic status while the US is more obsessed with racial labels and categories.
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Old 03-05-2018, 10:16 AM
 
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Dude music videos show nothing. Now if you had demographics from the Colombian government that would show something.

I’m sure the vast majority of people speaking Creole are Black Natives of San Andres. There are divisions in how people in Colombia speak based on race and that’s based on history. Creole and Palenquero are mostly spoken by Blacks.
Dude the music videos illustrate the people singing two of which are brother and sister and clearly more white, born in San Andres from continental Colombian parents. The second video illustrates a girl who grew up in Old Providence whose dad is a white Paisa and lastly you have another San Andres born person whose mother is from Santander on mainland Colombia and whose dad is Raizal. These are real life people singing/speaking in San Andres creole not just music videos.

In any case I already published DANE statistics from 2010. Over half are non-Raizal and some of the younger generation of continental Colombians have grown up speaking creole. Fact.
This is not to say that the majority that speak the language are obviously black natives (Raizal people).
 
Old 03-08-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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Latin America is a 500 year old catholic culture . so racism is not allowed since the 16 century, but officially, non white people were considered bastards - not human beings. until 170 years ago.

Not very different, but more older and civilized-

To be fair, the US . being a new country, should be compared to Latin America 200 years from now,
 
Old 03-08-2018, 10:20 AM
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Latin America is a 500 year old catholic culture . so racism is not allowed since the 16 century, but officially, non white people were considered bastards - not human beings. until 170 years ago.

Not very different, but more older and civilized-

To be fair, the US . being a new country, should be compared to Latin America 200 years from now,
By whom? If they were born within marriage weren't they recorded as legitimate son's or daughters?
 
Old 03-08-2018, 01:00 PM
 
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Since this is leading to quite a debate, could any Latin American posters chime in on the controversy surrounding Amara La Negra and her claims of colorism in the Latin American community?

She's an Afro-Dominican music artist of a darker hue who has called out racial mentalities regarding colorism and beauty standards in Latin America?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b044b3821a60df


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UZb3FNBmPQ

I do think Latin America has ways to go when it comes to ending Eurocentric beauty standards which negatively affects Afro-Latinas and Indigenous Latinas as well, though I don't think general racism or xenophobia is any worse than the U.S.
 
Old 03-08-2018, 02:17 PM
 
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Since this is leading to quite a debate, could any Latin American posters chime in on the controversy surrounding Amara La Negra and her claims of colorism in the Latin American community?

She's an Afro-Dominican music artist of a darker hue who has called out racial mentalities regarding colorism and beauty standards in Latin America?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b044b3821a60df


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UZb3FNBmPQ

I do think Latin America has ways to go when it comes to ending Eurocentric beauty standards which negatively affects Afro-Latinas and Indigenous Latinas as well, though I don't think general racism or xenophobia is any worse than the U.S.
There is no such thing as Afro-Dominican. the Dominican culture is already part African. saying Afro Dominican is like saying that there is a Dominican culture without African component, and that doesn't exist.

stop using american-based terms to define foreign cultures.
 
Old 03-08-2018, 05:40 PM
 
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There is no such thing as Afro-Dominican. the Dominican culture is already part African. saying Afro Dominican is like saying that there is a Dominican culture without African component, and that doesn't exist.

stop using american-based terms to define foreign cultures.
She's a racially black Dominican woman just as Nuria Piera is a racially white Dominican woman.
 
Old 03-09-2018, 07:57 AM
 
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Latin America is a 500 year old catholic culture . so racism is not allowed since the 16 century, but officially, non white people were considered bastards - not human beings. until 170 years ago.

Not very different, but more older and civilized-

To be fair, the US . being a new country, should be compared to Latin America 200 years from now,
It is not true.
In Brazil Portuguese married a lot with Amerindians and then their children married with Portuguese or Indians.
If Baptized the Indians had the same rights than Portuguese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caramuru
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