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onluy thing is as i said before, the main connections that the dominicans who migrate to those islands have is that both are of african origin, that cocolo presense barely scratched the tip of oiur pop when u see how many ppl were already living in that region of DR which literally the cocolo pop in the eastern region barely surpassed 1%
this is y in central america caribbean coast u still have english being spoken very fluently like jamaicans or anglo caribbean accent, unlike in san pedro de macoris in DR where u dont hear that and any english spoken there is learned from school with a dominican accent, because they didnt make any contribution demographically, however the cutlure yes such as guloya and the johnnycakes
and also the original dominican music is actually palo, not bachata or merengue (theyr dominican ofc)
but merengue came from palo (trujillo era) and bachata came from cuban bolero
and that lady can easily be dominican yes, definitely
Yes I am aware of Palo and the fact that when the drumming starts Dominicans become no different from other Caribbean people, hence the popularity of dembow/reggaeton with its Jamaican origins.
A point that defeats those who claim that the Spanish Caribbean has nothing to do with the English Caribbean is what happened to English Caribbean migrants to Latin America. It has been harder for English Caribbean migrants to assimilate into the mainly mestizo Central America. As in the USA by the 2nd and definitely the 3rd generation English Caribbean origin people have assimilated in the local local Afro descendant populations. Aside from the last names there are few distinctions between the jamaiquinos of Cuba and the Cocolos of the DR and Afro descendant Cubans and Dominicans.
So much so that the Cocolos who returned to the lands of their ancestry are treated by the locals no different from other Dominican immigrants. Aside from the fact that they tend to be more uniformly darkerthan non Cocolo Dominicans one cannot detect any differences.
Given that you are in the airline business you are probably aware of Sky High, which has carved a niche in connecting Dominicans living in the small northeast Caribbean islands with the DR.
I forgot to include this graph from the study in my post above. This is the national average they got from the samples they collected.
Sub-Saharan Africa 47.7% Europe 38.8% North Africa 1.4% (This input arrived mixed with the Spanish, especially those from the Canary Islands and mixed with the Guanches, the native people from there when the Spanish took over. They were a population originating in the Berbers of North Africa. Technically, this should be included in Europe part due to how it arrived in the DR, but since it's geographically apart it's presented separate here). Native American 3.6% Middle East 0.4% (Almost all of it appears in the DR with the migration of the Lebanese starting in the 1880's/1890's and continuing until the 1920's. This was never a very numerous migration, but the bulk of Arabs arrived in that interval, more so closer to the 1920's. It's common to find Dominicans with partial Arab descent that still know or new their parent(s) or grandparent(s) that were born in the Middle East, something thst is not common for the average Dominican to have ever met a family member from whom they descend born in another country). Neanderthal 0.5% (Another one most likely arrived in the DR mixed in the Europeans more than anyone else).
Those are the national results they got despite "missing" the second densest part of the DR considering that part should had been as intense in producing sanples as was Greater Santo Domingo. All other DNA studies present different results from this one in the sense that both the European and Native American inputs are slightly higher and the Sub-Saharan African input is slightly lower. Reality might be different from what the previous study shows. How much someone vslues reality vs an agenda is something else.
For example, the following is a national average from a study made by a Dominican doctor (Dr Perello) in the 1950's. The estimate is based on his experience treating Dominicans at that time.
You can post all the DNA studies that you wish but the DR is way more "African" than is PR and even Cuba. Just accept this and move on. As you admitted being a nation with a high Afro descendant population doenst mean backwardness. Not sure why you seem to think that this is such a profound statement, given that, aside from Haiti (which has its unique problems) most societies in the Americas with significant Afro descendant populations arent doing that badly. And some with 90%+ (Barbados, etc) are actually doing quite well.
So need to to be ashamed of the DRs status as being the most heavily Afro descendant nation in Latin America.
pero tampoco quiero decir mi informacion personal aqui
vivi en los EE UU un tiempo pero ahora vivo en la RD
soy dominicano de pura sepa, asi que
back to english
Your "friends" are using the usual tactics. Their whole ego is that Latin America is "superior" to the USA because supposedly no racism exists.
1. They try to "whiten" DR. Well what tourists to DR immediately notice is that there is a significant presence of people looking like that Trinidadian woman who I posted. She may or may not see herself as "black". Most likely as a Dominican she would be shocked that she would be seen as being "black". But in the eyes of most North American and European visitors she is in fact "black". Most of these tourists would be shocked to hear people running around claiming that DR is some heavily Euro island. Of the 3 Spanish Caribbean islands DR is the least able to make that claim. DR is not Cuba despite all of the DNA "studies" that Antonio R concocts.
2. When a Latin American does in fact discuss racism in Latin America he/she is immediately accused of being a black American/English or French Caribbean posing as a Latin American. Then when this Latin American reveals that they are genuine, as the VPs of Costa Rica and Colombia have, they are then accused of being divisive and of importing destructive US ideas and being obsessed with race. I see they now direct this to you.
3. As an upper middle class black American population has become more visible, and even wealthy and economically powerful blacks have emerged (note the clout that people like JaZ, Kanye, and Oprah bring as they deal with US corporate entities) it has become harder to convince Afro Latin Americans that the US black is worse off. They look around in their own societies and they are more hard pressed to find the Latin American equivalent. They see black American tourists staying comfortable in hotels and enjoying amenities, and worst of all being treated BETTER than local blacks because they have spending power.
4. In the past 20 years as the Latin American middle class has grown this has allowed more scope for upward mobility among Afro descendants. Along with this has come an increasingly vocal black empowerment group. Powerful black voices are emerging, people like Francia Marquez, now Colombia's VP. So it has become harder for people like your "friends" to peddle the lie that racism isnt an important factor that has defined the lives of Afro descendants in Latin America. They face all the abuses that US blacks do, but an additional one that they are denied the right to be openly vocal about this. Because if Latin Americans cannot boast about having an absence of racism on what basis can they claim superiority over US Americans.
Foreigners and people that most likely will never live in the DR...
Why not worry about your Saint Lucia and Guyana? I'm sure when you joined the US military they ingrained in peoples mind the notion of not talking about what you don't know about. The DR and Dominicans can solve their problems (real and imagine) without foreigners putting their noses where it doesn't belong (similar to how foreigners were not the major influences in social movements in the USA such as the Civil Rights of the 1960's, that was simply Americans trying to solve American issues in the USA, foreigners simply stayed out of that). Recognize that you are not inside, but outside. Always have and always will be.
Your "friends" are using the usual tactics. Their whole ego is that Latin America is "superior" to the USA because supposedly no racism exists.
1. They try to "whiten" DR. Well what tourists to DR immediately notice is that there is a significant presence of people looking like that Trinidadian woman who I posted. She may or may not see herself as "black". Most likely as a Dominican she would be shocked that she would be seen as being "black". But in the eyes of most North American and European visitors she is in fact "black". Most of these tourists would be shocked to hear people running around claiming that DR is some heavily Euro island. Of the 3 Spanish Caribbean islands DR is the least able to make that claim. DR is not Cuba despite all of the DNA "studies" that Antonio R concocts.
2. When a Latin American does in fact discuss racism in Latin America he/she is immediately accused of being a black American/English or French Caribbean posing as a Latin American. Then when this Latin American reveals that they are genuine, as the VPs of Costa Rica and Colombia have, they are then accused of being divisive and of importing destructive US ideas and being obsessed with race. I see they now direct this to you.
3. As an upper middle class black American population has become more visible, and even wealthy and economically powerful blacks have emerged (note the clout that people like JaZ, Kanye, and Oprah bring as they deal with US corporate entities) it has become harder to convince Afro Latin Americans that the US black is worse off. They look around in their own societies and they are more hard pressed to find the Latin American equivalent. They see black American tourists staying comfortable in hotels and enjoying amenities, and worst of all being treated BETTER than local blacks because they have spending power.
4. In the past 20 years as the Latin American middle class has grown this has allowed more scope for upward mobility among Afro descendants. Along with this has come an increasingly vocal black empowerment group. Powerful black voices are emerging, people like Francia Marquez, now Colombia's VP. So it has become harder for people like your "friends" to peddle the lie that racism isnt an important factor that has defined the lives of Afro descendants in Latin America. They face all the abuses that US blacks do, but an additional one that they are denied the right to be openly vocal about this. Because if Latin Americans cannot boast about having an absence of racism on what basis can they claim superiority over US Americans.
i agree yes
but this is why the DR (even by some dominicans, including factual info when comparing demographics and race) is seen as the same or similar to the franco (martinique & guadeloupe) & dutch antilles (ABC islands, aruba, bonarire, and curacao) and not with PR and cuba
cause martinique, guadeloupe, curacao, and bonaire are a majority mulatto population with a large black population and a small white minority just like DR. aruba doesnt count since theyr more european than us
anglo caribbean are more afro than DR though (but not like a huge difference like haiti) when i go to the english speaking islands like dominica st lucia (though they speak french and r part of it that francophone) they actually look very mixed, unlike grenada and barbados who look very very black
yes i agree that DR is mixed (as the other users here say) but dont make it seem like black dominicans r a tiny minority and no longer exist, out of the 3 races in DR (african euro native) the african is what predominates, our biggest dna study says this but whats stupid is that theyr not very representative of the reality, DR is too big to rely on these so called dna studies, not even mexico has it right niether (this is towards the other users, not you lol)
anyhow colonial black dominicans are far more common than colonial white dominicans (mulattoes r obviously the majorityy but im talking about the whites and blacks). and the mulatto dominican pop ranges from quadroon to griffes
non colonial white dominicans (1-3 generation european descendants) out number pure colonial white dominicans today
Your "friends" are using the usual tactics. Their whole ego is that Latin America is "superior" to the USA because supposedly no racism exists.
1. They try to "whiten" DR. Well what tourists to DR immediately notice is that there is a significant presence of people looking like that Trinidadian woman who I posted. She may or may not see herself as "black". Most likely as a Dominican she would be shocked that she would be seen as being "black". But in the eyes of most North American and European visitors she is in fact "black". Most of these tourists would be shocked to hear people running around claiming that DR is some heavily Euro island. Of the 3 Spanish Caribbean islands DR is the least able to make that claim. DR is not Cuba despite all of the DNA "studies" that Antonio R concocts.
2. When a Latin American does in fact discuss racism in Latin America he/she is immediately accused of being a black American/English or French Caribbean posing as a Latin American. Then when this Latin American reveals that they are genuine, as the VPs of Costa Rica and Colombia have, they are then accused of being divisive and of importing destructive US ideas and being obsessed with race. I see they now direct this to you.
3. As an upper middle class black American population has become more visible, and even wealthy and economically powerful blacks have emerged (note the clout that people like JaZ, Kanye, and Oprah bring as they deal with US corporate entities) it has become harder to convince Afro Latin Americans that the US black is worse off. They look around in their own societies and they are more hard pressed to find the Latin American equivalent. They see black American tourists staying comfortable in hotels and enjoying amenities, and worst of all being treated BETTER than local blacks because they have spending power.
4. In the past 20 years as the Latin American middle class has grown this has allowed more scope for upward mobility among Afro descendants. Along with this has come an increasingly vocal black empowerment group. Powerful black voices are emerging, people like Francia Marquez, now Colombia's VP. So it has become harder for people like your "friends" to peddle the lie that racism isnt an important factor that has defined the lives of Afro descendants in Latin America. They face all the abuses that US blacks do, but an additional one that they are denied the right to be openly vocal about this. Because if Latin Americans cannot boast about having an absence of racism on what basis can they claim superiority over US Americans.
Dominican Republic is a majority mixed race nation, not a majority black nation as you are trying to paint it as. Yes the average Dominican has more African blood than the average Puerto Rican or Cuban ( who are both also majority mixed race Tri-racial, just more Euro dominant), the average Dominican also has more European blood than the average person from Haiti, Jamaica, Barbados, Bahamas, St Kitts, Antigua, St Vincent, Guadeloupe, Martinique, and even Panama, Belize, Trinidad, Guyana, but you won't mention that part because it doesn't fit the image you are trying to portrait. Despite having more African blood than other mixed (Mulatto/Tri-racial) Hispanic countries, like PR and Cuba, it's still a majority mixed race country, just like the other 2 are not majority white but mixed race. And btw that Trini woman you posted is not black, she is a darker mixed person, only a person who subconsciously practices the one drop rule (popular in the US) would see her as "black".
Dominican Republic is a majority mixed race nation, not a majority black nation as you are trying to paint it as. Yes the average Dominican has more African blood than the average Puerto Rican or Cuban ( who are both also majority mixed race Tri-racial, just more Euro dominant), the average Dominican also has more European blood than the average person from Haiti, Jamaica, Barbados, Bahamas, St Kitts, Antigua, St Vincent, Guadeloupe, Martinique, and even Panama, Belize, Trinidad, Guyana, but you won't mention that part because it doesn't fit the image you are trying to portrait. Despite having more African blood than other mixed (Mulatto/Tri-racial) Hispanic countries, like PR and Cuba, it's still a majority mixed race country, just like the other 2 are not majority white but mixed race. And btw that Trini woman you posted is not black, she is a darker mixed person, only a person who subconsciously practices the one drop rule (popular in the US) would see her as "black".
panama? hahahahahahaha
good one bro
not to mention, theres actually more blacks in DR than trinidad, and i been there as well (cannot say about guyana)
and trinidad not to mentioned and its acessive amounts of immigrants froim the lesser antilles, not to mention over half of their black population isnt even colonial but infact from the lesser antilles
belize is dfefinitely not blacker than DR, they got wayyyy too many mestizos and true whites
hgave u even been there bro?
jesus crist
besides, everyone knows the DR is mixed race majority but the african is what predominates
i find it funny that the biggest large scale dna study actually has the DR afro leaning mulatto yet these small cherrypicked dna study studies r no more than 20-30 ppl
60% mulatto - (again just shows that we are a majority mixed and no one is denying that)
35% black - (just shows you that we indeed have a large black minority and theres no denying that, due to the fact that DR lacked the white flight that PR and cuba had during the 1800s, which DR for a long time was an abandoned colony once the spanish went for gold in mexico and peru or more thriving colonies like cuba and PR, as well as them getting killed or kicked out but the african slave revolution everyone knows as haitian revolution but the fact that over 90% of those rebels were african born who spoke no creole or french i dont consider em haitians even though they were brought over by the french, plus our own black slaves that the spanish brought in earlier, but this is why we have little to no french words or influences in our spanish, BUT we do have african influence in our spanish and words, cause those rebels had to learn spanish the ones that stayed on our side and french/creole in the haitian side, john lipski very well documents this, since he cannot reallt find much creole influence in our spanish but infact african influence via the haitian side and our side, since haitian creole wasnt spoken by most of its population until the 1800s which is recent, haitian creole is old but not everyone spoke it untill like 4-6 generations ago)
5% white - (as said before, the white population of DR was never big, maybe 25-30% at one poiint during the 1700s when canarians came, but many mixed out and or left for said colonies for said reasons)
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Race questions haven’t been asked in any census since the 1970’s.
The latest census is from 2010, but this year the president has given a green light for the new census to tame place. Regarding race/color not taken into account either.
How come you are not aware of any of this since you say you live in the DR?
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