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Old 09-07-2022, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Northeast of Brazil
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Brazil as an independent nation turns 200 years old today, 7 September 2022.

And, contrary to what happened in other countries in similar occasions, nobody is talking much about it in Brazil. No big festivities, no grandiosity.
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Old 09-07-2022, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Interesting, certainly the bi-centennial in America (1976) was massive. It was also a relatively united time with few major problems.

The Brazilian people deserve a celebration and they deserve much better than the awful, anti-environment fascist Balsonaro.
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Old 09-07-2022, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Miami (prev. NY, Atlanta, SF, OC and San Diego)
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Interesting, certainly the bi-centennial in America (1976) was massive. It was also a relatively united time with few major problems.

The Brazilian people deserve a celebration and they deserve much better than the awful, anti-environment fascist Balsonaro.

Happy Birthday Brazil.....unfortunately, the corrupt Lula option is not much better.
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Old 09-07-2022, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Dayton OH
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Happy Birthday Brazil.

I first visited Brazil over 40 years ago, and have traveled around many parts of the country by land (mainly by bus). Brazil has a stunning variety of cities and natural landscapes, although I have only visited places in the southern half - Brasilia, Bahia, Rio, SP, Belo Horizonte, Goiania, Ribeirao Prieto, Londrina, Foz do Iguacu, Curitiba, Florianopolis, Porto Alegre, and dozens of other places in between.

All politics aside, Brazil is a beautiful country with a lot to be proud of in its 200 years of independence.
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Old 09-07-2022, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Brazil
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celebrate what? Celebrate the 60.000 homicides per year, the low salaries, the long queue in public health. We don't have any reason to celebrate nothing. The majority of Brazilians are disappointed of their own country. These empty events reflect our discouragement.
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Old 09-07-2022, 08:16 AM
 
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Happy Birthday Brazil.....unfortunately, the corrupt Lula option is not much better.
Wrong, Lulu was much better. You don't get politics in Brazil (or anywhere frankly) without some corruption. Bolsonaro is governing for only a tiny minority of Brazilians and is depleting Brazil of it's natural resources at an alarming rate.
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Old 09-07-2022, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Wylie, Texas
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As an outsider who watched from afar, I've always been curious about Brazil. My younger brother spent several months down there and now speaks Portuguese fluently. My brother in law travels down there for vacation at least once a year. And I grew up a huge fan of Brazilian footballers.

It is basically the mirror image of the United States. Similar historical backgrounds with native Indian populations, heavy European immigration and African slavery. Both received their independence around roughly the same time period, and yet the two countries have gone on very different paths to development. I wonder why that is.
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Old 09-07-2022, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Somewhere on the Moon.
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celebrate what? Celebrate the 60.000 homicides per year, the low salaries, the long queue in public health. We don't have any reason to celebrate nothing. The majority of Brazilians are disappointed of their own country. These empty events reflect our discouragement.
Independence should always be celebrated and never used as a protest mechanism for political reasons.

The Ukraine celebrated its independence a few weeks ago and everybody knows now is the worst time for that country. People can say whatever they want, but I'm sure Brazil is not in the same predicament the Ukraine is in right now, which is much worst and they still took the time to celebrate.
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Old 09-07-2022, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Miami (prev. NY, Atlanta, SF, OC and San Diego)
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Wrong, Lulu was much better. You don't get politics in Brazil (or anywhere frankly) without some corruption. Bolsonaro is governing for only a tiny minority of Brazilians and is depleting Brazil of it's natural resources at an alarming rate.
It’s Lula, not Lulu, who benefitted from the rise in commodity prices and WAS convicted of money laundering and corruption charges—though later overturned. Like I said, take your pick—far left vs far right.
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Old 09-07-2022, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Northeast of Brazil
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As an outsider who watched from afar, I've always been curious about Brazil. My younger brother spent several months down there and now speaks Portuguese fluently. My brother in law travels down there for vacation at least once a year. And I grew up a huge fan of Brazilian footballers.

It is basically the mirror image of the United States. Similar historical backgrounds with native Indian populations, heavy European immigration and African slavery. Both received their independence around roughly the same time period, and yet the two countries have gone on very different paths to development. I wonder why that is.
The US has the best universities in the world, and that's since the 19th century.

Brazil neglected education until the 1990's, when it started to be taken a little more seriously here, but it's still far from reaching an acceptable quality level.

The US has Harvard, Stanford, the MIT, Caltech, UCLA, Princeton, Yale, Cornell, Columbia, Duke...

Meanwhile Brazil had a high illiteracy rate as late as 1990. Our elites in Brazil completelly neglected education until the last years of the 20th century. And it's still not taken as seriously as it should in most parts of the country.

Without education you don't have science, without science you don't have technology, without technology you don't have social and economic development.
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