View Poll Results: Is Abortion Murder?
Yes
20 46.51%
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06-29-2009, 09:33 AM
Location: Over the Rainbow...
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njguy
GOD creates life and it starts when her egg is fertilized (for those who believe in GOD) and GOD IS
Rep to ya on that one.
06-30-2009, 08:31 PM
Location: Somewhere in Canada
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njguy
GOD creates life and it starts when her egg is fertilized (for those who believe in GOD) and GOD IS
Forgive me for straying off topic, but firstly, I dispise the idea of "laws" and "is above any mortal" because I like it when there are no rules and people disobey them. It reveals their inner chaos and defiance, which creates limitless possibilities to their potential in whatever they do.
Now for my opinion. I completely disagree of the concept of abortion being murder. People usually forget one thing that sepparates murder and abortion. Murder is when someone kills another living creature. Abortion is the removal of a fetus. This fetus is physically part of the mother. The umbilical cord is the link between them and this makes the fetus part of it's mother. They are still the same organism, and once the cord is cut and the fetus is fully developed (as in a living, breathing baby) then it would be murder if it was killed. So removing it while still in the womb is not murder because the fetus is just as a part of the mom just as any other part of the body. It basically the pregnant woman (or guy...?) is "aborting" the idea of giving birth by removing it. Basic definition of abortion. This also helps the stem-cell research industry.
Well, if you DIDN'T want to face the pain of birth, then you should have thought of growing a new lifeform in a test tube. Yeah, we're smart enough to do that.
That's like saying that if the doctor removes the appendix (which is another unessecary body part), then it would be classified as murder.
Abortion is an exellent way to show how she can make choices AnD it sHoWs how a woman can save the world. As if there aren't already enough of us, and we want MORE to consume resources (visit "Humans vs Animals, whose planet does this belong to?" thread for more info on what I mean by this) and destroy more of earth's wonders?
Abortion is not murder-no sins commited-one less mouth to feed. Problem solved!
Summary: No, it is not murder and yes, I support it.
Last edited by Havik; 06-30-2009 at 09:10 PM ..
06-30-2009, 08:49 PM
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How can anyone consider the taking of an innocent unborn human life as anything but murder. What choice did the child have in the decision to take its life? For someone to decide to end a childs life and sanitize it with terms such as pro-choice and the right to choose have no sense of reason and are apparently incapable of intellegent thought. With such a mind set, how do you debate a fool?
06-30-2009, 09:25 PM
Location: Somewhere in Canada
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Mistoftime
How can anyone consider the taking of an innocent unborn human life as anything but murder. What choice did the child have in the decision to take its life? For someone to decide to end a childs life and sanitize it with terms such as pro-choice and the right to choose have no sense of reason and are apparently incapable of intellegent thought. With such a mind set, how do you debate a fool?
How can you end a child's life when it had no life to begin with? Like you said: unborn. Because the child is only developing, you are only taking the chance of an incomplete human being form ever being born. sure it may seem cruel and inhuman, but no harm is done. It's not like the doctors will throw the fetus in a disposal bin. They would most likely use it for a more important cause like extracting stem cells that could save a life.
Like I said: it is part of the mother, which means that removing it is like removing one of your arms. The similarities between the two analogies is that the organism can survive without it, so it's not murder.
I agree that humans aren't intellegent, but I disagree for the "right to choice" part because I see that it is logical for someone to have the freedom to choose between options and inhumane for somebody to not decide what he/she wants from rules or laws set by public opinion. It's like saying that democratic citizens have no right to vote. Yeah, no sense of reason in that.
07-03-2009, 12:57 AM
Location: Palmer, AK
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I believe with my entire being that life starts at the moment of conception & ends only upon natural death. To end that life, it is most definately murder.
07-03-2009, 09:39 AM
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Mistime
How can anyone consider the taking of an innocent unborn human life as anything but murder. What choice did the child have in the decision to take its life? For someone to decide to end a child's life and sanitize it with terms such as pro-choice and the right to choose have no sense of reason and are apparently incapable of intelligent thought. With such a mind set, how do you debate a fool?
Life is cruel and when people like you who have the passion to save unborn children by adopting them from parents who either don't want to or are unable to take care of them, abortion will cease to exist. The ball is in your court. Until then, ?
07-03-2009, 09:56 AM
Location: Atlanta
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To me it just makes sense that once the egg is fertilized it is a human being (albeit tiny and ugly). Not a religious thing (I'm not really religious...at all...) but it just makes sense to me.
07-03-2009, 10:25 AM
Location: Atlanta
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Havik
Forgive me for straying off topic, but firstly, I dispise the idea of "laws" and "is above any mortal" because I like it when there are no rules and people disobey them. It reveals their inner chaos and defiance, which creates limitless possibilities to their potential in whatever they do.
Some of your arguments seem to be geared to convienience of solving the overpopulation problem.
If the physical connection of the fetus to the mother is the argument that the fetus is not a seperate creature from the mother where do siamese twins fit in the equation? Can you "abort" one twin for the convienience of the other?
What happens if one day technology creates a way for a human to develop from conception to full term outside of the human body? When does that person become "human". Just wondering as a hypothetical.
Like I said earilier, I'm not religious, but by your assumption I guess the soul does not enter the body untill till the doctor cuts the cord. So a crying baby still attached to the mother outside the body is still souless?
Murder is the killing of a living creature as you said, and your argument did not convince me that a fetus (the first stage of a human being) is not living...just because they are attached to their mother.
People seem to be creating an arbatrary line of where life begins.
07-03-2009, 10:31 AM
Location: Atlanta
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yukiko11
Life is cruel and when people like you who have the passion to save unborn children by adopting them from parents who either don't want to or are unable to take care of them, abortion will cease to exist. The ball is in your court. Until then, ?
Again, a convienient responce to the overpopulation problem.
to me thats like hoping for mass deaths from war as a means of population control. makes as much sense really.
07-03-2009, 10:34 AM
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Yes! Life begins at conception. It's not just a religious thing, it's been proven SCIENTIFICALLY!
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People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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