Pending Permanent Daylight Savings Time - Good or Bad For Arizona? (Phoenix: living, bus)

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

That's not how I read it. We will be like UT (above us to the North).

No. The bill specifically states that Arizona and Hawaii, the only other state that has a permanent time zone, would be allowed to remain on their current standard time. Arizona has had a permanent time zone since 1967. So when everyone else moves to permanent daylight time as they did this week, AZ will have the same time as CA and NV year round.

(2) STATE EXEMPTION.—Such section is further amended by—

(A) redesignating subsection (b) as subsection (c); and

(B) inserting after subsection (a) the following:


“(b) Standard Time For Certain States And Areas.—The standard time for a State that has exempted itself from the provisions of section 3(a) of the Uniform Time Act of 1966 (15 U.S.C. 260a(a)), as in effect on the day before November 5, 2023, pursuant to such section or an area of a State that has exempted such area from such provisions pursuant to such section shall be, as such State considers appropriate—

“(1) the standard time for such State or area, as the case may be, pursuant to subsection (a) of this section; or

“(2) the standard time for such State or area, as the case may be, pursuant to subsection (a) of this section as it was in effect on the day before November 5, 2023.”.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

That's not how I read it. We will be like UT (above us to the North).

I don’t think that’s right:

Since the Pacific coast states move to Mountain Standard Time during daylight saving time, which is Arizona's permanent time zone, Arizona would always be aligned with those states instead of being an hour ahead of them during the winter months if the bill is signed into law.

Because the bill states that Arizona and Hawaii would be allowed to remain on each state's standard time and the bill is meant only for states that observe daylight saving time, Arizona is not directly affected by the bill.

[steiconi]

This is just plain stupid.
"From now on, noon will be 1pm."
In a few years, will 1pm become 2pm?

Why can't businesses or states or whatevers that want DST just tell workers to come in at 6am instead of 7? There's no reason to change the clocks at all.

There's never been a good reason for DST to begin with, least of all the old story that it benefited farmers. Were we supposed to think that twice a year, the chickens suddenly changed their schedule? (I'm sure they do change with daylight length, but it would be gradual, not abrupt, and probably more than a single hour.)

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by steiconi

This is just plain stupid.
"From now on, noon will be 1pm."
In a few years, will 1pm become 2pm?

Why can't businesses or states or whatevers that want DST just tell workers to come in at 6am instead of 7? There's no reason to change the clocks at all.

There's never been a good reason for DST to begin with, least of all the old story that it benefited farmers. Were we supposed to think that twice a year, the chickens suddenly changed their schedule? (I'm sure they do change with daylight length, but it would be gradual, not abrupt, and probably more than a single hour.)

It's rather arbitrary in the first place. I mean what is "standard" time but just some decree about when a day begins and ends. In the upper midwest, DST is quite pleasant - in summer anyway. The higher latitude means longer daylight hours so losing one from the front end and putting it on the back end makes for a more pleasant use of time if you will with an added hour for outdoor activities after work. Here in the Phoenix part of AZ, no one wants to wait another hour after work for the sun to go down so we can come out of our air conditioned shells.

[asufan]

The main impact is what time football games start on TV. I prefer the 10am NFL and 9am NCAA kickoff times so I'm fine with being in line with the West coast. Major downside is the stock market opens up earlier and I'm an active trader but the football schedule makes it worth it

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by asufan

The main impact is what time football games start on TV. I prefer the 10am NFL and 9am NCAA kickoff times so I'm fine with being in line with the West coast. Major downside is the stock market opens up earlier and I'm an active trader but the football schedule makes it worth it

Agreed. Love 4PM hockey and baseball, hate early markets.

Also, Sunshine Protection Act is up there as one of the dumbest names ever.

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by steiconi

This is just plain stupid.
"From now on, noon will be 1pm."
In a few years, will 1pm become 2pm?

Why can't businesses or states or whatevers that want DST just tell workers to come in at 6am instead of 7? There's no reason to change the clocks at all.

There's never been a good reason for DST to begin with, least of all the old story that it benefited farmers. Were we supposed to think that twice a year, the chickens suddenly changed their schedule? (I'm sure they do change with daylight length, but it would be gradual, not abrupt, and probably more than a single hour.)

I remember listening to a guy who wrote a book about DST and according to his calculations the sector that benefitted the most was the BBQ industry.

[Hschlick84]

Arizona should go with the rest of Mountain Daylight Time states like Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, etc. Otherwise, just abolish savings time nationwide and do standard time year-round.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

I don’t think that’s right:

Since the Pacific coast states move to Mountain Standard Time during daylight saving time, which is Arizona's permanent time zone, Arizona would always be aligned with those states instead of being an hour ahead of them during the winter months if the bill is signed into law.

Because the bill states that Arizona and Hawaii would be allowed to remain on each state's standard time and the bill is meant only for states that observe daylight saving time, Arizona is not directly affected by the bill.

Crap! IMO, then AZ needs to do a single, one-time change to become MST. Because that aligns with other states north of us. Potentially, pride is going to get in their way and they don't want to change. I bet the topic will be discussed. In the end, I doubt they will change it. Considering our current events, who knows if will even matter. 2023 seems like a long time away.

[hikernut]

So the country will be protecting sunshine, but at the expense of no longer saving daylight