Arizona passes strict illegal immigration act (to live, gangs, train)

[Rich V]

Originally Posted by Obey

Yes.

Well for starters, it's their land.

Oh really their land?
Would that be the Conquistadors from Spain that invaded Mexico, you know the people who killed the natives and made everyone speak Spanish. The ones who now call themselves Mexicans?

Don't forget the land you are on now once belonged to some Indian tribe before your predecessor took it away, please give it back and lead by example.

[basketballakev]

Originally Posted by Obey

Yes.

Well for starters, it's their land.

The Aztecs were in Central Mexico and below. Mexico City was built on top of Tenochtitlan, the Aztec capital. The Aztecs were not in the southwestern United States until Spain conquered that territory in the 15th and 16th centuries. When Mexico gained its independence from Spain, in 1821, then Mexico claimed the territory that Spain had controlled in the southwestern United States.

So by your logic, it actually isn't their land. Its Spain's. Learn some history.

[Obey]

Originally Posted by Rich V

Oh really their land?
Would that be the Conquistadors from Spain that invaded Mexico, you know the people who killed the natives and made everyone speak Spanish. The ones who now call themselves Mexicans?

Don't forget the land you are on now once belonged to some Indian tribe before your predecessor took it away, please give it back and lead by example.

Yes, their land.

Mass amounts of mexicans can trace their lineage back to the Aztec, Mayan and Incan cultures, as well as many Native American tribes. All of which are native to the Americas.

I'm not a white american, didn't come here by choice, and my people maintained a healthy relationship with the native americans after being brought to these lands. So much so that there were many Afro-Indian cultures, and Black African peoples adopted into various tribes sprinkled across the Americas. Most notably, the Seminole tribe.

[Obey]

Originally Posted by basketballakev

The Aztecs were in Central Mexico and below. Mexico City was built on top of Tenochtitlan, the Aztec capital. The Aztecs were not in the southwestern United States until Spain conquered that territory in the 15th and 16th centuries. When Mexico gained its independence from Spain, in 1821, then Mexico claimed the territory that Spain had controlled in the southwestern United States.

So by your logic, it actually isn't their land. Its Spain's. Learn some history.

I wasn't aware that the Aztecs were the only culture native to the Americas? You're forgetting the Nahuatl, Maya, Zapotec, Mixtec, Otomí, Totonac, Tzotzil, Tzeltal, Mazahua, Mazateco, Huastec, Ch'ol, Chinantec, Purépecha, Mixe, Tlapanec, Tarahumara, etc, etc, etc.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by cityrover

Whaaa more racism and inbred hillbillie politics!

Right back at you.

This bill encroaches far beyond "illegal" whatever; and the whatever is just that - whatever. and the illegal is in parenthesis because it isn't limited to illegal.

I dont expect you to have the required education to understand that though.

Nice try there, pal.

[basketballakev]

Originally Posted by Obey

I wasn't aware that the Aztecs were the only culture native to the Americas? You're forgetting the Nahuatl, Maya, Zapotec, Mixtec, Otomí, Totonac, Tzotzil, Tzeltal, Mazahua, Mazateco, Huastec, Ch'ol, Chinantec, Purépecha, Mixe, Tlapanec, Tarahumara, etc, etc, etc.

I never said the Aztecs were the only culture native to the Americas. I only used the Aztecs as an example. All of those cultures you've mentioned were located in central Mexico and below. None of them were located in what is now the southwestern US.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

Mexico might sanction Arizona for this , my Mexican Friend says. You don't want to Pis* of Mexico , because they'll just more over the border. My Mexican friend , said alot of his neighbors were chanting anti-American slurs in the streets and burning Arizona flags You really have done it now , he thinks a race war is brewing in Arizona.....

Since Mexico is unable to stop its drug cartels; do you truly believe it would dare try to take on the USA? Face it: that would be suicide for the former nation---------and, it may wind up losing more of its land as punishment.

[basketballakev]

Originally Posted by Obey

Yes, their land.

Mass amounts of mexicans can trace their lineage back to the Aztec, Mayan and Incan cultures, as well as many Native American tribes. All of which are native to the Americas.

I'm not a white american, didn't come here by choice, and my people maintained a healthy relationship with the native americans after being brought to these lands. So much so that there were many Afro-Indian cultures, and Black African peoples adopted into various tribes sprinkled across the Americas. Most notably, the Seminole tribe.

But none native to the southwestern US which you claim to be their land.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Obey

Frankly, this bill is terrible. I for one, support "illegal immigration", as I have no quarrels with an underprivileged group of people seeking an improved standard of living, or rather the "American Dream" we advertise to the rest of the world. I especially have no issue with it considering the states with the biggest issues with illegal immigration are states that were originally owned by Mexico. This of course was before the grand ole United States decided to throw our weight around and forcibly take the land from the Mexicans.

In addition, I'd love to look at the ancestry of those who support this bill as I'm sure their lineage is plagued with individuals that didn't come to America "legally". In fact, if Native Americans employed similar tactics when the Europeans conveniently got lost and stumbled across America, most of you wouldn't be posting about this issue today. Thank God not all people are as simple minded and bigoted as modern day Americans. That aside, most of you complaining about "illegal immigration", are the same people that employ "illegal immigrants" to mow your lawns, clean your houses and vehicles, tile your floors, repair your roofs, etc. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Anyhow, this bills reeks of racism and bigotry. Racial profiling on a grand scale will ensue, and crime will undoubtedly rise. Even the idea of this bill is sickening. But hey, why not employ a Nazi like regime?

God bless America.

Oh yes; the 'indigenous people' card. Nice try there; but, FAIL!

Using your reasoning: the Aztecs and Comanches; to name but two groups, were quite vicious towards weaker groups of Indians PRIOR to the USA being a factor in our Southwest. Besides: the former did not range that far north-----------they were based in what is the Mexico City area today.

BTW: the Euros; BOTH Anglo and Hispanic, were nothing more than a bunch of bigger and badder 'Indians'-----------nothing more.

Side note here: where is the rage from Mexico from losing Guatemala after 1821? If anything. Mx obviously does not want that piece of real estate back; perhaps because it is still poor---------like Chiapas, etc?

[Obey]

Originally Posted by basketballakev

I never said the Aztecs were the only culture native to the Americas. I only used the Aztecs as an example. All of those cultures you've mentioned were located in central Mexico and below. None of them were located in what is now the southwestern US.

You spoke as if the Aztecs are the only culture modern day Mexicans can trace their roots to. Which isn't the case.

Ok, the Anasazi, Hohokam, Patayan, and Mogollon. I can list cultures for days. Two things remain constant. They're native to the lands, Europeans aren't.