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Old 05-02-2010, 06:05 PM
 
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Yes it does for me...and if that scenario is proof of what they use....there are real problems here. Like I responded...My legal neighbors leave with family crammed in their van...short of beat-up truck...that is profiling when they are on their way to a movie or shopping...
Here's the problem. There is no protection against non-racial profiling. Cops do it all day, every day as part of their job. That leaves two points for your legal neighbors:

- Stop packing in the van; or
- Just carry your frickin ID and show it if/when asked.

I don't get what the problem is here. Yes, the first option is a bit fascist, so just SHOW YOUR FRICKIN ID and be done with it!!
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Old 05-02-2010, 06:07 PM
 
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This is how I see it. This new law allows for racial profiling. Here is another question to ask: How does this help the Hispanic persons who are here legally? How does it help those Hispanic persons who are citizens? How does it help the person who hasn't done anything illegal? Those are questions I feel need to be asked. How is it any benefit to a person who is a law-abiding citizen to be targeted? Hispanic(and other persons with brown skin) people are the most likely to be suspected. Hispanic persons have been in Arizona for about 100 years or so. Not only that, racial profiling on this issue might happen to Native Americans as well.
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Old 05-02-2010, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Casa Grande, AZ
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Yes the board does go fast for me because I have to look at every post in answer to your question...and if that scenario is proof of what they use....there are real problems here. Like I responded...My legal neighbors leave with family crammed in their van...short of beat-up truck...that is profiling when they are on their way to a movie or shopping...

And then they have been profiled...as legal is no profiling...checkmate...and their rights have been violated because of a family of Hispanics in a van going to a movie....
Would I be stopped with 6 people crammed in my Dodge pickup (legal limit) going down the road...
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Old 05-02-2010, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Yucaipa, California
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I doubt it if anyone will enforce the law. I just hope the illegals dont move in my area. Some of them are living in east redlands, beaumont & banning,ca.
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Old 05-03-2010, 02:00 AM
 
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I speak as a concerned citizen when I say that some of you who actually don't want your state protecting you, worry me. ...
I guess you're right, I wasn't clear. I don't want my country protecting me. I can protect myself. Most of their efforts at "protecting" me seem to be abusing someone else. I'd rather they just stop and let me worry about it.

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Old 05-03-2010, 07:36 AM
 
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I guess you're right, I wasn't clear. I don't want my country protecting me. I can protect myself. Most of their efforts at "protecting" me seem to be abusing someone else. I'd rather they just stop and let me worry about it.

bb
Easy enough to say. I guarantee that if someone close to you were killed by an illegal...lost your job to an illegal for lower pay...you got robbed by an illegal...you'd be screaming for government intervention. Now, none of that has happened to me yet. However I can readily say that I don't like government inaction, especially when it pertains to law breakers. If you're all cool with people breaking the law and costing you more and more tax money, more power to you. Just know that you, sir, are in the minority.
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Easy enough to say. I guarantee that if someone close to you were killed by an illegal...lost your job to an illegal for lower pay...you got robbed by an illegal...you'd be screaming for government intervention. Now, none of that has happened to me yet. However I can readily say that I don't like government inaction, especially when it pertains to law breakers. If you're all cool with people breaking the law and costing you more and more tax money, more power to you. Just know that you, sir, are in the minority.
People are being killed by DRUG SMUGGLERS and robbed by JUNKIES. Those who buy their Marijuana are more at fault than the migrant workers who staff the Meat Packing Plant in Dodge City Kansas or the vegetable picker in the Central Valley of California
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:57 AM
 
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Russell Pierce the man who wrote this law has been linked to Neo Nazi groups.
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Old 05-03-2010, 08:07 AM
 
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People are being killed by DRUG SMUGGLERS and robbed by JUNKIES. Those who buy their Marijuana are more at fault than the migrant workers who staff the Meat Packing Plant in Dodge City Kansas or the vegetable picker in the Central Valley of California
Here we go again with the selective reading. It's a multi-point issue as I've stated. You can dismiss the criminal behavior, but you can't dismiss the increase in taxes and lack of jobs due to the influx of illegals. The only way to truly stop the problem is to cut it off at the source - and again, the Feds need to step up and do something, which is why I'm glad Arizona took this step...it forces them to do just that. Even if the Arizona law somehow gets rescinded, other states have already taken notice.

Nobody's saying that meat packers or vegetable pickers can't be here. We're saying that if they want to be here they need to follow the law. That means getting permanent residency via the proper means. If that calls for 6 years of money scraping, so be it. Others did it, they can too. It's totally unfair that certain people can just be here illegally and folks are cool with giving them a pass.
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Old 05-03-2010, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Here we go again with the selective reading. It's a multi-point issue as I've stated. You can dismiss the criminal behavior, but you can't dismiss the increase in taxes and lack of jobs due to the influx of illegals. The only way to truly stop the problem is to cut it off at the source - and again, the Feds need to step up and do something, which is why I'm glad Arizona took this step...it forces them to do just that. Even if the Arizona law somehow gets rescinded, other states have already taken notice.

Nobody's saying that meat packers or vegetable pickers can't be here. We're saying that if they want to be here they need to follow the law. That means getting permanent residency via the proper means. If that calls for 6 years of money scraping, so be it. Others did it, they can too. It's totally unfair that certain people can just be here illegally and folks are cool with giving them a pass.
Well then you get California to pass that law. I live on the Mexican Border in Arizona and I am more scared of the Fascists who passed this than I am of illegals. We need the Military to cut off DRUG SMUGGLING
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