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Lmao, growing immortality, considering teen pregnancy is at a an all-time low, I highly doubt that. The only firmly republican places in the USA are dying small-towns with meth and opiate issues(not that it doesn’t exist in more liberal/democrat areas as well).
Poor, rich, middle-class, low-crime, High-crime, doesn’t matter, Democrat/purple areas hold the majority of the nations economic, social, and cultural Capitol in this day and age. 20 years ago things were a bit different, rural areas were a bit more blue, suburbs were pretty red. Nowadays, it’s very different. I love it when conservatives point to growing states that tend to be red, while now they are starting to go purple, like Texas, and Georgia.
Lol soft-on-crime, why is it that Minnesota has a lower crime rate compared to Arkansas, no where in Minnesota comes close to being as bad as parts of Little Rock, or Pine Bluff. The poverty, crime, racism, overall standard of living is gonna be a lot worse in Arkansas compared to MN. I don’t get why they wouldn’t move to North Dakota, a red state with a relatively high standard of living, but that’s besides the point.
Basically, if it’s so bad, then why do they stay? The reason is is that it’s more beneficial to live there than in a red-state with poor social policies.
Such nonsense you are spewing as a whole, MN is considered one of the best states in the Union for nearly everything.
I don’t think it’s a bad thing in of itself to move to a state like Arkansas, but complaining about living in such a horrible place like MN, that’s so horrible that, gasp, you get to receive benefits from the state to aid your family, how shockingly immoral.
Looking at minneapolis alone, a 60% increase in murders over 2019 and a 17% increase in violent crime over the 5 year average. Yep, a great place to live. Sounds like leadership has A solid grip on issues.
So if MN is such a crappy leftist hell-hole, your children should get better services in Arkansas right? Lol, you are complaining about all these positive things that you get in a state BECAUSE it’s liberal and actually wants to take care of people.
I think there’s plenty of good reasons for moving from one place to another, but wanting to move from a state because it’s so liberal that they give you proper social assistance, which you are directly benefiting from is probably one of the worst. Btw, you taking part in a program like that means you are partaking in a “socialist” program, why don’t you raise yourself up by your bootstraps
First of all, how is it you took my posts as complaints? I was explaining, not complaining. Second, I don’t consider it “socialist” to take care of people who can’t take care of themselves. I do consider it “socialist” to have to provide for people who do have that ability. It appears you’re having difficulty processing the difference.
Third, I fully admitted that the special needs programs and the overall wages are better in this particular liberal state (as well as hinting to the many other things that aren’t).....but as usual, a liberal gets wind of that and sees it as another excuse to go off the rails .....which is why I detest liberalism to begin with. You see what you want to see, hear what you want to hear without any regard for civility or reason, and you never miss an opportunity to blow something out of proportion for the purpose of creating more division.
Looking at minneapolis alone, a 60% increase in murders over 2019 and a 17% increase in violent crime over the 5 year average. Yep, a great place to live. Sounds like leadership has A solid grip on issues.
Yep still lower than places like St Louis, Kansas City, New Orleans, etc, all in red states and have also seen similar rises in homicide rates. Doesn’t matter if it’s red or blue, urban areas as a whole had an increase in crime in 2020.
Still lower for both red and blue states since the record highs of the 1970s-1990s, when violent crime on a whole was a lot higher for various socio-economic reasons. This years increase is worrying though.
First of all, how is it you took my posts as complaints? I was explaining, not complaining. Second, I don’t consider it “socialist” to take care of people who can’t take care of themselves. I do consider it “socialist” to have to provide for people who do have that ability. It appears you’re having difficulty processing the difference.
Third, I fully admitted that the special needs programs and the overall wages are better in this particular liberal state (as well as hinting to the many other things that aren’t).....but as usual, a liberal gets wind of that and sees it as another excuse to go off the rails .....which is why I detest liberalism to begin with. You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear without any regard for civility or reason.
No, it’s still socialist by your definition because you a should, as a parent, be able to fully take care of your children without any state assistance. If you don’t, you don’t work hard enough and your a awful parent who had children that you can’t even take care of without using hard-earned tax payer money to help you with the kids you should be fully responsible for yourself.
See, Doesn’t it feel cruel, hearing these things? I’m sure you are a great parent. That’s what I’m tired of hearing from conservatives, that my parents were stupid, and lazy because they both had to use state assistance despite both of them working, which luckily they got because we lived in the state of MA. Life is rough for a lot of people, and that’s why there are social policies out there to help people.
Doesn’t even matter half the time, whether a place is blue and red anyways, a lot of issues, whether it be small-town America or post-industrial America have to do with the long-term effects of deindustrialization, segregation, changing transportation methods, etc. I just think it’s ridiculous to want to move from a place you think is so terrible even though you get so many benefits from the progressive policies there, that you wouldn’t find in most red states(however you’ve probably done more research on policies beneficial to your family, so I can’t say anything too specific).
Lastly, something less political, but I don’t know the policies but I would guess they would be better of a more conservative place like South Dakota, North Dakota or Utah. Those are all red/conservative states with relatively high standard of living, and places like Salt Lake City, while more blue nowadays, are very family friendly. Again, you’ve probably thought about 1000x more than I have but just putting it out there.
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Lmao, growing immortality, considering teen pregnancy is at a an all-time low, I highly doubt that. The only firmly republican places in the USA are dying small-towns with meth and opiate issues(not that it doesn’t exist in more liberal/democrat areas as well).
Poor, rich, middle-class, low-crime, High-crime, doesn’t matter, Democrat/purple areas hold the majority of the nations economic, social, and cultural Capitol in this day and age. 20 years ago things were a bit different, rural areas were a bit more blue, suburbs were pretty red. Nowadays, it’s very different. I love it when conservatives point to growing states that tend to be red, while now they are starting to go purple, like Texas, and Georgia.
Lol soft-on-crime, why is it that Minnesota has a lower crime rate compared to Arkansas, no where in Minnesota comes close to being as bad as parts of Little Rock, or Pine Bluff. The poverty, crime, racism, overall standard of living is gonna be a lot worse in Arkansas compared to MN. I don’t get why they wouldn’t move to North Dakota, a red state with a relatively high standard of living, but that’s besides the point.
Basically, if it’s so bad, then why do they stay? The reason is is that it’s more beneficial to live there than in a red-state with poor social policies.
Such nonsense you are spewing as a whole, MN is considered one of the best states in the Union for nearly everything.
Be careful not to go too deep into explaining cultures you don't understand and apparently know very little about. Arkansas is more than Little Rock and Pine Bluff, and Little Rock is a pretty neat town regardless, for what it is.
You're right in saying that the Dakotas or Utah would be better for certain circumstances. I left Arkansas for similar pastures.
edit: after reading some more of your posts, I almost follow, but you're putting way too much emphasis on red v. blue, and you almost admit to that. Both parties have been involved, and we have been complacent, in the dismantling of small-town and rural America which has led to the issues those places face.
There are reasons people are looking to get out of places like California, Illinois, and Minnesota. Good Government liberalism also doesn't quite explain New Mexico's issues, or perhaps it does...
Nice parks, pensions, and social programs aren't all there is to life.
Liberalism doesn't know when to say when. That's their problem in a nutshell.
They also have this weird social justice fetish that sidetracks them. If there's nothing else to fight for, they'll invent or import something new. All for the sake of fixing things government can't fix.
Be careful not to go too deep into explaining cultures you don't understand and apparently know very little about. Arkansas is more than Little Rock and Pine Bluff, and Little Rock is a pretty neat town regardless, for what it is.
You're right in saying that the Dakotas or Utah would be better for certain circumstances. I left Arkansas for similar pastures.
edit: after reading some more of your posts, I almost follow, but you're putting way too much emphasis on red v. blue, and you almost admit to that. Both parties have been involved, and we have been complacent, in the dismantling of small-town and rural America which has led to the issues those places face.
There are reasons people are looking to get out of places like California, Illinois, and Minnesota. Good Government liberalism also doesn't quite explain New Mexico's issues, or perhaps it does...
Nice parks, pensions, and social programs aren't all there is to life.
Liberalism doesn't know when to say when. That's their problem in a nutshell.
They also have this weird social justice fetish that sidetracks them. If there's nothing else to fight for, they'll invent or import something new. All for the sake of fixing things government can't fix.
You know what, yes I admit that I’m contradicting myself. I just don’t like a lot of the conservative rhetoric about hellish bastions of liberalism when most of the urban areas of the country, with the exception of like SLC and Oklahoma City are at least purple at this point. Those are the places that have most of the nations voters, rich or poor people, low-crime, high-crime whatever it is. Also, sorry didn’t mean to knock on Little Rock like that as well, I know it’s not horrible either.
Not to say all rural areas are terrible either, I love going on road trips and seeing all the interesting small towns and landscapes, but for the most part, rural America is stagnant or dying(with some exceptions ofc).
Not gonna touch the thing about social justice, I’m probably what you would consider a crazy SJW. That being said, I’ve seen a lot of things, whether it’s been on Twitter, Buzzfeed or Vice or something like that related to social justice that even I thought was absolute nonsense .
Maybe that’s the fundamental disagreement at the core between liberals and conservatives. That liberals/democrats believe the government can fix all things at some point, while conservatives think government can’t help or even breaks things.
They also have this weird social justice fetish that sidetracks them. If there's nothing else to fight for, they'll invent or import something new. All for the sake of fixing things government can't fix." - by Sub.
Last year in the middle of the pandemic the government rented hotel rooms for the homeless in Sacramento. The goal was to keep them inside so they don't wander all over spreading the virus.
Unfortunately they kept going out for booze and weed. California, in response, set up a toll free number for free delivery - anything to stop the virus. Sadly, it wasn't enough.
You think that was a bad move. Wait until we learn how many billions were sent to fake accounts as unemployment aid. The real unemployed is still waiting to get the first check, but the crooks got theirs in time.
Yep still lower than places like St Louis, Kansas City, New Orleans, etc, all in red states and have also seen similar rises in homicide rates. Doesn’t matter if it’s red or blue, urban areas as a whole had an increase in crime in 2020.
Still lower for both red and blue states since the record highs of the 1970s-1990s, when violent crime on a whole was a lot higher for various socio-economic reasons. This years increase is worrying though.
All three of the cities you mention above are run by democrat leadership and have been for a long time.
No, it’s still socialist by your definition because you a should, as a parent, be able to fully take care of your children without any state assistance. If you don’t, you don’t work hard enough and your a awful parent who had children that you can’t even take care of without using hard-earned tax payer money to help you with the kids you should be fully responsible for yourself.
See, Doesn’t it feel cruel, hearing these things? I’m sure you are a great parent. That’s what I’m tired of hearing from conservatives, that my parents were stupid, and lazy because they both had to use state assistance despite both of them working, which luckily they got because we lived in the state of MA. Life is rough for a lot of people, and that’s why there are social policies out there to help people.
I already admitted I was wrong to believe I could provide and/or pay for every single aspect of my kids special needs on my income. I was a new father at the time and when I got married and inherited 2 kids from a previous marriage I committed myself to being a dependable provider. There was pride involved, no doubt about it. I lived and I learned, simple as that. I think where we start drifting is when we begin believing that any particular place is so great that we feel the need to tear other ones down, not taking the time to realize there are so many more aspects that comprise people’s lifestyles than just being liberal or conservative. I’ve done that, too, and it was wrong. We have a good life here, but it’s not perfect, and it still won’t be perfect if we ever do move to Arkansas. There are advantages to living here and there are advantages to living there. Just basic truths, no posturing necessary.
Where on earth in CA do your cousins live??? It sounds like they are all doing quite well, so why do they apparently choose to live where the vast majority of Californians who never encounter what you are describing here live? California currently has its problems, and some people may be happier elsewhere. But you can easily make your point about reasons that may keep people here against their wishes without exaggerating or just plain making things up.
Most of them live in the Central Valley and Southern CA. Crime has skyrocketed and crimes that used to be taken seriously by police no longer are. I was in my hometown a few months ago and it shocked me to see how deteriorated it had become. Homeless drug addicts would just walk into the street, blocking traffic, and no one can do a thing about it. That's the saddest part--law abiding citizens have learned to just accept that as there is nothing they can do.
The public library was always a beautiful building and a great place to go. Now? Because of new policies you wouldn't DARE set foot in the library with your children. Homeless spend their days watching porn (and doing other terrible things) on the library computers. They had to close public bathrooms as they became too dangerous. Everyone knows you just get your books from Amazon or do research online.
And no, I am not exaggerating or making things up. I am so sad with how my hometown has gone downhill because of these leftist policies.
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