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Firstly, I do not want to declare a position on this topic; i just want to gather a range of feedback on this topic; I am not saying whether this is right or wrong.
Secondly, I request that you declare your nationality (country of citizenship), i.e: e.g. People's Republic of China. Vietnamese, Taiwanese etc etc. Ideally, it would be good if you are a citizen from one of the South-East asian nations.
The situation is on the Scarborough Shoal; if you've been following the news, you would know that there are competing claims between China and Philippines over the Scarborough Shoal and the China has built an outpost on Scarborough Shoal.
My view is if it was the United States building an outpost on the Scarborough Shoal, would there be the same level of concern and worry by south-east nations and would the US react differently?
Thirdly, in giving your answer, i need to you to explain why and give examples of historical examples and past cases.
I think most countries except the PRC would be ok because the US balances out the PRC yet is not a permanent nation in Asia. China has been there for a thousands of years and tried to subjegate southeast before. Vietnam is right under them and they have been fighting the red dragon for a thousand years. Never trust a communist! Plus, Asians hate each other.
I think most countries except the PRC would be ok because the US balances out the PRC yet is not a permanent nation in Asia. China has been there for a thousands of years and tried to subjegate southeast before. Vietnam is right under them and they have been fighting the red dragon for a thousand years. Never trust a communist! Plus, Asians hate each other.
In my original post, I asked you to declare your nationality - which you did not do.
You also did not give historical examples, which i asked for in my previous post.
Last edited by tigerbalm1985; 03-12-2015 at 09:20 PM..
Honestly I(and pretty much everyone I know) don't give a rat's ass about Spratly Islands and South China Sea. I actually learned that we controlled some of the islands not so long ago lol.
Well if America was still politically able to have a base "in" the Philippines or Vietnam then with that legal standing the US Navy could have put an outpost on some rocks claimed by the multiple nations under that host nation's flag. The size of the US Military and its nukes would have seen us move in like a big bully.
However both Vietnam and the Philippines decided to go on their own without big brother, okay big brother abandoned his friends in South Vietnam. So locally the big bully with nukes is China and they are there. It is not like the Falklands as nobody is going to push them off. It is the weaker nation which goes to international courts and hope for a situation like the Soviets boycotting when Kim invaded South Korea and a superpower was willing to risk itself. Those courts are just talking societies, while the members feel important, they are not.The rest of the region will just have to accept that
Well if America was still politically able to have a base "in" the Philippines or Vietnam then with that legal standing the US Navy could have put an outpost on some rocks claimed by the multiple nations under that host nation's flag. The size of the US Military and its nukes would have seen us move in like a big bully.
However both Vietnam and the Philippines decided to go on their own without big brother, okay big brother abandoned his friends in South Vietnam. So locally the big bully with nukes is China and they are there. It is not like the Falklands as nobody is going to push them off. It is the weaker nation which goes to international courts and hope for a situation like the Soviets boycotting when Kim invaded South Korea and a superpower was willing to risk itself. Those courts are just talking societies, while the members feel important, they are not.The rest of the region will just have to accept that
as late as the 1930s, the Chinese didn't even know where the Spratlys are. when France tried to annex them, the Chinese consul in Manila had to ask American authorities where is the location and when they pointed where are they, he was satisfied that is was not part of Chinas territory. (these are all in the archives)
so all that historical claim they are spouting are just garbage. they never thought that outside China, people have all the data they need to have informed opinion
You seem to assume that people must take a strong stance. In fact for these political/historical issues, many people just watch it like a story and do not have a strong opinion whether it must be one way or another in principle.
I'm Chinese but I don't think the reasons provided by either side are solid. China reached there in history, but did not really control it. The Philippines was not even a real country back then, and did not control it either.
The territory was originally claimed by Republic of China too, and the People's Republic of China continues to do it.
You seem to assume that people must take a strong stance. In fact for these political/historical issues, many people just watch it like a story and do not have a strong opinion whether it must be one way or another in principle.
I'm Chinese but I don't think the reasons provided by either side are solid. China reached there in history, but did not really control it. The Philippines was not even a real country back then, and did not control it either.
The territory was originally claimed by Republic of China too, and the People's Republic of China continues to do it.
Whether or not the Philippines was a country back then is not really relevant. The Philippines claim is that part of the Spratlys are inside its exclusive economic zone as defined in international law.
You seem to assume that people must take a strong stance. In fact for these political/historical issues, many people just watch it like a story and do not have a strong opinion whether it must be one way or another in principle.
I'm Chinese but I don't think the reasons provided by either side are solid. China reached there in history, but did not really control it. The Philippines was not even a real country back then, and did not control it either.
The territory was originally claimed by Republic of China too, and the People's Republic of China continues to do it.
in sum the basis of China claiming it is because Admiral Zheng He passed by it so it must be theirs..you know how ridiculous that is?
I wonder why they don't claim the indian ocean too? he passed by that ocean in his voyage too
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