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I think the question is really - "should Tibet have the right of self-determination". Let Tibetans determine if they want independence. Now, naturally, they currently are not given that right by PRC. It's further complicated by the fact that many Tibetans live in exile - Nepal, India, and the U.S.
I think the Dali Lama had at one point petitioned for Tibet independence but is now saying he is for staying part of China as long as they have "cultural independence" i.e. less Chines control. This of course will never happen - Tibet is pretty much what East Germany was 50 years ago, it ain't Shanghai with cell phone and western stores, we are talking old-time hardcore commiebloc control - secret police, survellience, political prisoners...complete with PRC soldiers shooting Tibetans trying to cross the border into Nepal as if it was the Berlin Wall days.
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Originally Posted by munna21977
If people support Tibet to be a separate nation, then what about Puerto Rico or Hawaii ? Those regions are culturally different or not ? Map of world will change into thousands of countries if different culture aspect becomes a criteria for a separate nation.
What about them? Your assumptions are incorrect. Puerto Rico has been given the right to self-determination by the U.S. Their have been votes to determine future course for the residents of PR - independence, statehood, some other variation, and they have overwhelmingly chosen to remain part of the U.S. (statehood or commonwealth are still TBD). Any why not? I mean are you kidding? They are suckling on the teat of US dependence. You think they want to give up that? If anything it's the rest of the U.S. saying "please PR, become independent".
Hawaii is already a state and many from the lower 48 have moved in, along with a healthy population of Asians. Only 10% of the population is native Hawaiian. You do the math, you think they want independence (even if it was an option)?
If people support Tibet to be a separate nation, then what about Puerto Rico or Hawaii ? Those regions are culturally different or not ? Map of world will change into thousands of countries if different culture aspect becomes a criteria for a separate nation.
Peurto Rico voted to become a state.
Hawaii would be annexed by China.
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Originally Posted by shanv3
Atleast for the sake of Mt.KangrinPoqe, yes. Its too much of a hassle to be harrassed by PLA soldiers everytime you try to go there.
Don't forget to free Mt. Kailash. Its sacrilege that its occupied by godless communists.
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Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth
Never trust an entrenched theocratic system, nor a feudal one.
It sort of depends on how it actually plays out. Its former government wasn't great. The other thing is that there's now a large Chinese population within Tibet. If there could be an amicable agreement, which is thus far pretty unlikely, then it would seem like a decent idea as would be an Uyghur nation.
It sort of depends on how it actually plays out. Its former government wasn't great. The other thing is that there's now a large Chinese population within Tibet. If there could be an amicable agreement, which is thus far pretty unlikely, then it would seem like a decent idea as would be an Uyghur nation.
Lets be honest here. No one really cares about uyghurs. Instead of following Tengrism or buddhism, they turned their backs on paganism just to follow the foreign bedoiun ideology which hampers their independence movement because jihadists could easily hijack it. In a post 9/11 world, a communist looks better than a jihadist. Even their own muslim brothers don't care about them. Why isn't Pakistan, taliban, central asia, or hardcore shia Iranians launching jihad against the PRC? Hypocrites. every last of them.
It probably is a correct preventive measure by the CCP and PLA what they do to the uyghurs. But the CCP and PLA are just as evil. Have the barbarian fight the barbarian. its cheaper. Ancient chinese saying.
Lets be honest here. No one really cares about uyghurs. Instead of following Tengrism or buddhism, they turned their backs on paganism just to follow the foreign bedoiun ideology which hampers their independence movement because jihadists could easily hijack it. In a post 9/11 world, a communist looks better than a jihadist. Even their own muslim brothers don't care about them. Why isn't Pakistan, taliban, central asia, or hardcore shia Iranians launching jihad against the PRC? Hypocrites. every last of them.
It probably is a correct preventive measure by the CCP and PLA what they do to the uyghurs. But the CCP and PLA are just as evil. Have the barbarian fight the barbarian. its cheaper. Ancient chinese saying.
Nah, the crackdown just radicalizes people even more. It’s a terrible policy. So is arming the most radical wings of a religion, but that’s what ends up happening. Iran was for a split second a pretty open society with a Muslim society, but foreign intervention destroyed that. Similar things played out along with a specific strain of religious nuttery from Saudi Arabia that that nation was able to push with the oil wealth that we helped them build. I stayed with a friend’s family in Morocco and they showed me pictures of Morocco during a time several decades ago where the street scene was less conservative and we watched old Egyptian films where there was plenty of innuendo and bare shoulders compared to movies of that era from Western countries. The Muslim world became heavily radicalized and part of it was from the Cold War propping up and shutting down of what they thought was best. It’s not unreasonable to think that the draconian measures taken by China is sowing the seeds for a terrible blowback.
Nah, the crackdown just radicalizes people even more. It’s a terrible policy. So is arming the most radical wings of a religion, but that’s what ends up happening. Iran was for a split second a pretty open society with a Muslim society, but foreign intervention destroyed that. Similar things played out along with a specific strain of religious nuttery from Saudi Arabia that that nation was able to push with the oil wealth that we helped them build. I stayed with a friend’s family in Morocco and they showed me pictures of Morocco during a time several decades ago where the street scene was less conservative and we watched old Egyptian films where there was plenty of innuendo and bare shoulders compared to movies of that era from Western countries. The Muslim world became heavily radicalized and part of it was from the Cold War propping up and shutting down of what they thought was best. It’s not unreasonable to think that the draconian measures taken by China is sowing the seeds for a terrible blowback.
Blowback may happen but will be crushed. Look what happened at Chechnya or dagestan. They got their freedom of religion and autonomy back, but they were destroyed first.
Wouldnt it be nice if they had only USA, Europe , Russia, China, India and Arabia/Africa?? They encompass pretty much every race and religion .
Only if you break the world down into simple parameters. In South-East Asia alone you've got countries like Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia that are quite distinct from one another and wouldn't fall under the umbrella term of China.
It sort of depends on how it actually plays out. Its former government wasn't great. The other thing is that there's now a large Chinese population within Tibet..
Why is that? Because after China took over Tibet in 1950 they encouraged Chinese immigration into the region.
If people support Tibet to be a separate nation, then what about Puerto Rico or Hawaii ? Those regions are culturally different or not ? Map of world will change into thousands of countries if different culture aspect becomes a criteria for a separate nation.
Yeah,I agree with you
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