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Old 06-29-2021, 03:35 PM
 
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China has changed,government now allow family t o have 3 children,but the Chinese couples are not interested in having more children!
They need 2 income and children are expensive !
China is in for a major demographic crisis, if they can’t increase their fertility rate. Young people are simply choosing not to have kids.
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Old 06-29-2021, 10:45 PM
 
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China has changed,government now allow family t o have 3 children,but the Chinese couples are not interested in having more children!
They need 2 income and children are expensive !
They are allowing 3, not recommending 3. The limit is raised, because there is no point of restricting the few families who want 3, not because they believe it will increase the birth rate.
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Old 06-30-2021, 03:52 PM
 
Location: The house I built
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Maybe their next BS step is to ban birth control? Totalitarian governments are an embarrassment to the human race. They become a self perpetuation bunch of greedy inhuman crooks who lie, cheat, steal and murder in order to keep themselves in power. If the chinese govt wants people to have anything but a negative impression of them they can start by allowing a complete investigation of the beginnings of the Covid virus. And not trying to whitewash it or manipulate the conclusions.



What they don't understand is that the more they deny or lie and the more they try to manipulate public opinion worldwide, the more they bully the nations around them, the more people will hate them and force their governments to cut ties of any kind with them. And when china's economy crashes because people stop buying their junk, and BS?
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Old 07-01-2021, 02:14 AM
 
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Maybe their next BS step is to ban birth control? Totalitarian governments are an embarrassment to the human race. They become a self perpetuation bunch of greedy inhuman crooks who lie, cheat, steal and murder in order to keep themselves in power. If the chinese govt wants people to have anything but a negative impression of them they can start by allowing a complete investigation of the beginnings of the Covid virus. And not trying to whitewash it or manipulate the conclusions.

What they don't understand is that the more they deny or lie and the more they try to manipulate public opinion worldwide, the more they bully the nations around them, the more people will hate them and force their governments to cut ties of any kind with them. And when china's economy crashes because people stop buying their junk, and BS?
Another person who clearly don't get it. They are increasing the limit to 3 kids, not encouraging 3 kids. Most countries do not limit the number of kids at all. In addition, benefits for getting kids in China is almost non existent. they are clearly not trying very hard to get people to have kids, and their next step will obviously not be to ban birth control. They also allow abortion through most of the pregnancy.

In terms of diplomacy, then I agree that Xi Jinpings diplomacy is pretty terrible, but yours is just as bad. The US manipulate public opinion worldwide, bully nations to do what they want and even lie. If it was as contraproductive as you claimed, then why does US do it?

And no, China will not accept a hostile investigation led by the US, and the US would not accept a similar investigation led by China.
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Old 07-01-2021, 11:59 AM
 
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Maybe their next BS step is to ban birth control? Totalitarian governments are an embarrassment to the human race. They become a self perpetuation bunch of greedy inhuman crooks who lie, cheat, steal and murder in order to keep themselves in power. If the chinese govt wants people to have anything but a negative impression of them they can start by allowing a complete investigation of the beginnings of the Covid virus. And not trying to whitewash it or manipulate the conclusions.



What they don't understand is that the more they deny or lie and the more they try to manipulate public opinion worldwide, the more they bully the nations around them, the more people will hate them and force their governments to cut ties of any kind with them. And when china's economy crashes because people stop buying their junk, and BS?
Well, one thing to keep in mind is that China basically legislated itself into this mess, and they are in a tight space because if they scrap everything, then they worry that it risks undermining their past decisions, and in the current suolper-nationalist environment which disallows any criticism no matter how minute or inconsequential, this is utterly unacceptable.

The powers-that-be are fully aware that they won't be able to force people to have more kids; they had hoped that the two child policy a few years ago would create a "boom" but that failed, and so of course a three child policy won't have any effect either. It's more for the optics that the govt is trying to do something. It's difficult to understand how important the centenary and its optics are for the CCP, and especially right now, there's no way they want to look like they are grappling with policy or difficulties. That may change in the coming months.

Most of the rest of the world has pretty much already made up its mind that COVID is China's fault, or at least that it originated there, and its attempts to bully the world into buying its narrative or shutting up, or by touting its own success in controlling the spread versus other nations largely backfired, and so now China is more concerned with either trying to prove that it's helping via mask/vaccine diplomacy, or by simply ignoring the issue altogether and focusing on economics
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Old 07-01-2021, 12:43 PM
 
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Their sinovac vaccine is not trusted either. People get the vaccine and still die. Like everything else from china. can't be trusted. People stood in line and when they found out it was sinovac. They walked away.


Its going to be hard to give away vaccine when people would rather risk covid then trust a vaccine made in china.
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Old 07-01-2021, 02:07 PM
 
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All of the vaccines pretty much work by stimulating the immune system against the spike protein. They all have a delayed response building up the antibodies till about 21 to 27 days when the body is fully protected. They all have a very high rate of protection against moderate and severe Covid. Their vaccination rate within the country is very high. Like most Asian countries, public health is an area where the people put a lot more trust in the government than in the United States. The practice of dividing the electorate with the two parties backfired and resulted in many more hospitalizations and deaths here.

You have to ignore a lot of the idiotic sabre rattling in the US. The idiots were trying to buy up the patents and the vaccine rights, thinking they could keep the vaccines from most of the developing world to use as a political weapon, even going so far as embargoing the shipment of materials for producing the vaccine to India. It's very short-sighted as the newer strains develop and reenter the United States.

So far, there is nothing to the lab leak theory. None of it is secret information purloined by the US (note they publish links and claim they were secret). Almost all of the claims are hypothetical events that they need to happen in order for the theory to be viable. The rest are merely based on suspicions which don't infer anything about a lab leak.
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Old 07-01-2021, 04:23 PM
 
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So far, there is nothing to the lab leak theory. None of it is secret information purloined by the US (note they publish links and claim they were secret). Almost all of the claims are hypothetical events that they need to happen in order for the theory to be viable. The rest are merely based on suspicions which don't infer anything about a lab leak.
Not to change the subject, but...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-1...b-leak-theory/

COVID lab leak theory legitimate and plausible, per experts - CBS news.

The coincidents are too obvious to ignore - a Covid research facility just happens to be in the city were Covid originated, lab techs coming up sick, China lack of transparancy. Nothing will come of it the investigation. China has done a good job of erasing the trail, politics and certain US Covid experts might be complicit, and the WHO is of no help at all.
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Old 07-01-2021, 05:00 PM
 
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Not to change the subject, but...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-1...b-leak-theory/

COVID lab leak theory legitimate and plausible, per experts - CBS news.

The coincidents are too obvious to ignore - a Covid research facility just happens to be in the city were Covid originated, lab techs coming up sick, China lack of transparancy. Nothing will come of it the investigation. China has done a good job of erasing the trail, politics and certain US Covid experts might be complicit, and the WHO is of no help at all.
Everyone that works in labs are tested for exposure. The 3 in question and all the other workers were all cleared. The State department lied and added Covid to cold & flu symptoms to try to insinuate something more. This is just like the Trump dossier lying that went on with the US media for four years where the lies get repeatedl and the corrections are ignored.

The theory of a lab leak is legitimate and plausible, but it has extremely low probability of having occurred. Their version of the theory is full of holes and lacking substance. You need to provide actual facts, not pose hypothetical events and assume they occurred. Anybody can claim their theory is the correct one if they assume everything in it was an actual event. You have to have more than assumptions. You have to start with a series of facts that can be used to directly infer, not insinuate, a set of conclusions that lead to validating the theory. They don't have one. I've studied mathematical proof and statistical theory, and they cheated on their paper on the lab leak. Other scientists have pointed out the flaws in their theory, and they've gone had to back and hack the theory to claim the Chinese modified the genes to hide previous manipulations. The theory is even more preposterous now.

The theory was pushed by the Trump administration and pro-Trump PACs. To say that there are experts working on the lab leak theory is merely to say that they have some working for their organization.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...s-covid-494700

The sad thing about the US is the inability of people to read, comprehend, and analyze material. This topic might as well be the UFO or the Politics forums.
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Old 07-02-2021, 10:05 AM
 
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Everyone that works in labs are tested for exposure. The 3 in question and all the other workers were all cleared. The State department lied and added Covid to cold & flu symptoms to try to insinuate something more. This is just like the Trump dossier lying that went on with the US media for four years where the lies get repeatedl and the corrections are ignored.

The theory of a lab leak is legitimate and plausible, but it has extremely low probability of having occurred. Their version of the theory is full of holes and lacking substance. You need to provide actual facts, not pose hypothetical events and assume they occurred. Anybody can claim their theory is the correct one if they assume everything in it was an actual event. You have to have more than assumptions. You have to start with a series of facts that can be used to directly infer, not insinuate, a set of conclusions that lead to validating the theory. They don't have one. I've studied mathematical proof and statistical theory, and they cheated on their paper on the lab leak. Other scientists have pointed out the flaws in their theory, and they've gone had to back and hack the theory to claim the Chinese modified the genes to hide previous manipulations. The theory is even more preposterous now.

The theory was pushed by the Trump administration and pro-Trump PACs. To say that there are experts working on the lab leak theory is merely to say that they have some working for their organization.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...s-covid-494700

The sad thing about the US is the inability of people to read, comprehend, and analyze material. This topic might as well be the UFO or the Politics forums.
Politics is exactly the problem. People used to see this as a Trump created issue, and because the claims originally came from the Trump administration the media and democrats dismissed it outright.

Trump is gone, why is it even relevant at this point in time? The Biden administration and the mainstream media have gone 360 on this issue. Biden has re-opened an investigation on a possible Wuhan lab link. Your link has a few paragraphs at the end noting that "oh, yeah, Biden is investigating as well". Biased reporting still at work. Nothing will probably come from it, but the shift and impact of politics is startling. It could be also that Biden has new intelligence information supporting the claim of a lab leak, who knows. It won't be publicly shared for obvious reasons.
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