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Old 08-07-2010, 08:23 AM
 
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I can't help but think that Christopher Hitchens would still despise religion, even if he made a sudden turn near death and took up belief in some creator. And in that case a "conversion" would be pointless.
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Old 08-07-2010, 08:24 AM
 
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New interview on CNN. It doesn't sound like he'll be praising the lord anytime soon.

Great interview. I loved the part when he talks about if he has a deathbed conversion it'll be because he's demented and on drugs, "Don't believe it".

Mr Hitchen's outlook and views on cancer were refreshing to listen to.
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Old 08-07-2010, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Moving through this etheria
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A clear headed and elegant spokesman for rationality. Nothing more.

It seems you'd prefer that such people be silenced.

In a broad-based education system aimed at producing moderately resourceful skeptics as an end product, Hitchens' collected works should be mandatory reading for those mush-filled liberal heads holding forth and bloviating down at the local college drinking hole.

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Old 08-07-2010, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Ohh, he's nobody really - just another front-line general in the armies of reason, battling those who would plunge us into the second Dark Age.
Another interesting about Hitchens is that he is a hard core conservative. All the Bible Thumpers would think he was just great if he wasn't an athiest.
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Old 08-08-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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As for Mr. Hitchens' sad condition; it's always tragic when someone as eloquent, intelligent and profound as Christopher is possibly doomed. If he passes, I'll truly miss his particular engaging wit, humor, insight and intellect, even if it is often focused on reality and the destruction of the greater Christian myth. And the damges that has wrought on us all, inclluding the inane Iraq war.

He has provided true myth-penetrating ammo against all those tiresome chanting Christian diatribes, and thus his possible demise is mockingly celebrated by several evangelical websites. Imagine: wholesome, loving Christians wishing the very worst: a slow and painful death, on Dr. Hitchens simply because he's so danged effective in uncovering the inner contradictions of Christianity!

It's obvious, isn't it? Christianity abhors true intellectual discourse.

I wonder how they'd feel if they were to contract a similar potentially fatal disease, to know that millions of people out there were being admonished to fervently pray for even more pain and suffering on them!

This alone is telling enough of their true inner workings. Obvious conclusion: don't ever buy into the universalist "peace and love" preachings of Christians.

That's only for those who donate, never for those who think!

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Old 08-17-2010, 06:08 AM
 
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The debate between atheism and 'religion' is archaic, and goes on only because many people are uneasy about supporting the crudities of capitalism with its widescale theft from the poor. It is simply avoidance behaviour, fiddling while the world burns, fatuous.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:48 AM
 
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Actually he does have a problem with the truth and you can see it in the tone in his voice. He is filled with rhetoric and very little substance.
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Predrawn conclusion. Bias. Hopeful rhetoric, without substance.
His lie of a book on mother theresa shows it all. The fact that he wrote a book that contained no footnotes or sidenotes shows that he had no real dirt on her. Anyways My post wasnt to throw dirt on Hitchens. My heart goes out to him , his family and his brother (whose christian If I may add).

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Who cares about the spiritual directions of his brother? I mean besides you? What difference does that make, pray tell? I mean, this woukld suggest that all the rest of his family is atheist. Hmmm...
As`far as truth all you need to do is look through any of his debates to see who told the truth and who did not.

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You're so right in this one. One has but to openly watch those debates and see who won. And who lost.....
I pray that god heals him from this cancer and gives him a second chance at life where he could spend doing more meaningfull things rather then spew hatred.
Too bad that prayer has been proven to have no effect on survival or changes in medical conditions. Actually, the numbers show a slightly negative effect of a reliance on faith, since devout Christians often forgo true medical/scientific knowledge in favor of faith-based results. Which, in fact, always result in the same outcome.
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Old 08-17-2010, 12:17 PM
 
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Hitchens has NEVER been defeated in a debate by any religionist.


I can think of one right off the bat -- Dr. William Lane Craig.

He cooked Hitchens's goose real darn good (this is just one clip from a much longer debate):


YouTube - William Lane Craig and Christopher Hitchens (HQ)

Moreover, I reckon he would chew up and spit out you and probably every other atheist who posts at this forum.
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Old 08-17-2010, 12:26 PM
 
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I don't know any atheists who have converted to religion. Usually people wake up and realize the truth, that being that religious types are obviously delusional. It's not the other way around.
My experience in this realm is quite different. For example, I had a good friend who converted from atheism to Catholicism after he was diagnosed with a terminal illness. There were events leading up to it and it was certainly not what could be described as a "deathbed conversion."

My friend died a horrible, painful death, but even up until the end of his life wanted to talk desperately about his spirituality.
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Old 08-17-2010, 01:54 PM
 
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That is a superb example of why Craig stood up so well. It is very hard to counter if one doesn't accept the rules of logic.

No -one can deny that deathbed conversion claim but it is unverifiable. But if you say so in a debate it looks like a weak evasion. It is also proves nothing about whether the belief is true or not, but to say so looks like a weak evasion.

All the arguments - teleological, Ontological and moral that Craig put forward are hogwash, but to say that looks unsatisfactory because the listeners want disproofs of God or God is real.

It is very effective but a fraud.
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