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It isn’t about being polite - it’s about results. How can we educate and keep religion out of our government and schools (or be taken seriously in our communities) if we are perceived as angry people who wish to strip people of their religious freedom in their homes? It’s banging one’s head on the wall to continuously talk about the ‘facts’ with a religious person - when most rely on faith, tradition, family, etc.
It doesn’t matter what claim ‘they buy into’ on a personal level; what matters is keeping any religion (true or not) separated from, and not part of, our government and schools in any way.
Please note, Trans probably thinks President Trump is a fundamentalist...he's fighting this war from across the pond.
Please note, Trans probably thinks President Trump is a fundamentalist...he's fighting this war from across the pond.
Trump is no fundie. But he sure is sucking up to them to form his base. Their collective lack of intelligence and education makes his job easy. He just needs to keep feeding their fear, insecurity and bigotry.
Fortunately, the part of his base with slightly above room temperature IQs is realizing that their guru will likely be wearing an orange jumpsuit in a year or two and they're scuttling away.
if we are perceived as angry people who wish to strip people of their religious freedom in their homes? .
Why do you keep repeating that?? How many times does it have to be said that what we desire is for the religious to keep it their own homes or places designated as religious.
Why do you keep repeating that?? How many times does it have to be said that what we desire is for the religious to keep it their own homes or places designated as religious.
It was in direct response to a post which quoted me. And yes, there are people who say they don’t care about religion in people’s homes - yet they will spend countless hours on this forum arguing ‘facts’ with Christians.
It was in direct response to a post which quoted me. And yes, there are people who say they don’t care about religion in people’s homes - yet they will spend countless hours on this forum arguing ‘facts’ with Christians.
That’s where the short-sidedness comes in. Some people are simply here to discuss their beliefs - or maybe debate topics, rather than a person’s individual beliefs (whereas some are only here to browbeat). If it’s so important to persuade someone’s individual belief system (though I don’t know why it would be), then clearly, in the case of Christians, screaming facts and belittling out of emotion, is not the effective way. Christianity has endured because it transcends logic; it is not because no one ever pointed out the facts before this forum.
That’s where the short-sidedness comes in. Some people are simply here to discuss their beliefs - or maybe debate topics, rather than a person’s individual beliefs (whereas some are only here to browbeat). If it’s so important to persuade someone’s individual belief system (though I don’t know why it would be), then clearly, in the case of Christians, screaming facts and belittling out of emotion, is not the effective way. Christianity has endured because it transcends logic; it is not because no one ever pointed out the facts before this forum.
And if you go up in the forum, there's a subforum specifically for christianity, another for Buddhism, etc. I see those as more safe haven echo chambers for those who want that type of environment.
This part of the forum has become a place for debate, and sometimes sharp debate.
And if you go up in the forum, there's a subforum specifically for christianity, another for Buddhism, etc. I see those as more safe haven echo chambers for those who want that type of environment.
This part of the forum has become a place for debate, and sometimes sharp debate.
There's a place for everyone.
Of course there is! I was merely pointing out in order to have an intelligent debate (about any subject), one must have a clear understanding of (both sides of) the topic. So to constantly argue ‘facts’ in the case of a person’s belief in Christianity is likely not enough - and results in hostile emotion from each side. That you and I would base it on fact is irrelevant within the context of a ‘debate’ with a Christian.
Firstly, I have said all along religion does not belong in our government - and will continue to fight it. Some of us have the bigger picture in mind. But that’s not the discussion for the purpose of my point relating to this thread.
Secondly, I will not keep my mouth shut and my head down - to any useless rhetoric which only serves to exacerbate hatred (and threaten free speech), but that doesn’t mean I have to mock anyone for their personal beliefs. I am not a Christian, and I will continuously fight for the separation of church from our PUBLIC lives, but people’s personal opinions in a forum are another matter entirely. It’s incredibly short-sided and ineffective to get wrapped in personal, individual attacks - and misses the boat to really make a difference about an important issue.
Squinch those eyes shut a little tighter. Neither of the examples I posted had anything to do with government. They were examples of institutionalized hatred promoted and supported by Christians. The Muslims are even worse. If you don't oppose organized hatred against your group, you are setting yourself up to be a victim. There is no reason to grant them more rights than you enjoy.
Squinch those eyes shut a little tighter. Neither of the examples I posted had anything to do with government. They were examples of institutionalized hatred promoted and supported by Christians. The Muslims are even worse. If you don't oppose organized hatred against your group, you are setting yourself up to be a victim. There is no reason to grant them more rights than you enjoy.
Focusing on bigotry and hatred is self-serving and irrelevant in upholding the Constitution. The law is not ‘emotionally-based’ - which is exactly why Christianity (or hatred) doesn’t belong in it.
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