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Old 06-07-2019, 04:51 AM
 
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well, thats what they told me.

they said "You are not one of us.", whatever that means.

they also told me that that it may be true but has no practical value to them in their everyday lives and stopping religion does so I should not be addressing that line of reasoning.

what would you call it?
I wouldn't call it anything publicly and, in the end, it wouldn't bother me.
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Old 06-07-2019, 03:10 PM
 
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well, thats what they told me.

they said "You are not one of us.", whatever that means.

they also told me that that it may be true but has no practical value to them in their everyday lives and stopping religion does so I should not be addressing that line of reasoning.

what would you call it?
You defiantly seem like a Aino to me, not that that would matter much

Atheist in name only
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Old 06-07-2019, 03:16 PM
 
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Arach, you are up against a tough crowd.
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Old 06-07-2019, 04:51 PM
 
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I am sorry I can't follow up with that post; can't find it. I have written too many posts since then, which is unexpected.
That's okay.

There's a Bertrand Russell Society, you know. Doesn't seem like a particularly good reason to socialize, kind of like the Tall Club or Mensa. Russell's daughter, Dora, was a Christian, which he must have found annoying. I don't think I ever knew the details but one of his five wives, an early one, was a Quaker (thee and thou); perhaps Dora was a child from that union. Russell went for a walk and realized he was no longer in love with his wife, and that was that. She apparently remained in love with him for the rest of her life.

Seems kind of cold blooded.

Bertrand Russell Society
https://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/brs.html

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Old 06-07-2019, 05:28 PM
 
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That's okay.

There's a Bertrand Russell Society, you know. Doesn't seem like a particularly good reason to socialize, kind of like the Tall Club or Mensa. Russell's daughter, Dora, was a Christian, which he must have found annoying. I don't think I ever knew the details but one of his five wives, an early one, was a Quaker (thee and thou); perhaps Dora was a child from that union. Russell went for a walk and realized he was no longer in love with his wife, and that was that. She apparently remained in love with him for the rest of her life.

Seems kind of cold blooded.

Bertrand Russell Society
https://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/brs.html
So your comment about him being cold-blooded motivated me to find the quote. I did so after using the search function more effectively. It was in the thread about the intelligent being abused.

"Affection is not created; it can only be liberated"

This was your reply.

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I found the source of the Russell quote you cited ("Affection is not created; it can only be liberated") :

On Education, Especially In Early Childhood
https://books.google.com/books?id=yj...ussell&f=false

If you look at the context, it's hard to see how that sentence has anything to do with accepting people who are different.

I don't follow your reasoning. .
The quote resonated for me and I am not sure I can adequately explain why. I probably need to read it from the beginning to really understand his purpose for stating it but I can apply it outside of his context.
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:02 PM
 
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So your comment about him being cold-blooded motivated me to find the quote. I did so after using the search function more effectively. It was in the thread about the intelligent being abused.

"Affection is not created; it can only be liberated"

This was your reply.



The quote resonated for me and I am not sure I can adequately explain why. I probably need to read it from the beginning to really understand his purpose for stating it but I can apply it outside of his context.
I don't remember any of that. But Russell opened an experimental school for young children, at one point. I think it was perhaps Montessori-like, and came under a lot of criticism, though it would not have in contemporary life. That is very much like his losing his university position because of the massive amount of criticism he received for Marriage and Morals.

It's funny how if you like some author--or even some teacher--it can come to feel like they specifically belong to you and it's easy to forget, in the case of the author, that millions of others have read their work. Whitman is an examp!e; he doesn't just belong to me, but to the world at large. And yet early on I was resentful if someone quoted him.
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:28 PM
 
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You defiantly seem like a Aino to me, not that that would matter much

Atheist in name only
yeah, Fundy theist say the same thing about their fellow believers.

But if you mean I am an atheist that doesn't make any choices based on a statement of belief about god/religion ... then no, I am not that type of atheist.

so it would probably be more correct to say that I am not in that sect of atheism.
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:33 PM
 
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Arach, you are up against a tough crowd.
I would say I am up against fundy think types.
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:43 PM
 
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I wouldn't call it anything publicly and, in the end, it wouldn't bother me.
that doesn't really answer it does it. The guy gave people that don't give the whole truth, but aren't really lying either, the name "obscurist". it fits.

It didn't bother me at first, in fact I didn't care at all. then they start accusing some theist of doing the exact same thing. why is ok for my statement of belief to be doing that? but when another statement of belief about god does it they jump all over it.

then when comparing statements of beliefs about god to come up with a relative validity list, with holding information "so theist can't use it and make atheism harder to sell" just didn't seem remotely close to the best we can do.

it dawned on me, after a little experiment, that it wasn't the belief driving this behavior, its personality that drives the expression of belief. sick people have sick beliefs. weather god or otherwise.
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Old 06-07-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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I don't remember any of that. But Russell opened an experimental school for young children, at one point. I think it was perhaps Montessori-like, and came under a lot of criticism, though it would not have in contemporary life. That is very much like his losing his university position because of the massive amount of criticism he received for Marriage and Morals.

It's funny how if you like some author--or even some teacher--it can come to feel like they specifically belong to you and it's easy to forget, in the case of the author, that millions of others have read their work. Whitman is an examp!e; he doesn't just belong to me, but to the world at large. And yet early on I was resentful if someone quoted him.
I am the opposite. I get very excited when somebody reads the same book as me, which is very rare. Books are such a personal choice.
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