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In a debate on a non R&P forum we have ., then why shouldn't we strive to believe in the same thing?
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God has no beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The beginning and the end must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable item. The beginning and the end of the cosmic energy or space or the creation are also unimaginable. Therefore, the beginning and the end are unimaginable for the unimaginable item like God and also for the imaginable item like space. Therefore, the two points, which are the beginning-less and end-less characteristics cannot help you in understanding the real nature of God. If you start recognizing the God by simply these two points (beginning-less and end-less), you may think that God is an imaginable item like the space or energy or the creation. In fact based on these two characteristics people have imagined God as an imaginable item like space or energy or creation. This concept has misled people to such a low level that people think that God is the very infinite space or infinite energy or infinite creation. Therefore, one should filter the concept of God at this juncture itself. One should think that God has no beginning and no end because the beginning and the end of an unimaginable item are also unimaginable.
God has no beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The beginning and the end must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable item. The beginning and the end of the cosmic energy or space or the creation are also unimaginable. Therefore, the beginning and the end are unimaginable for the unimaginable item like God and also for the imaginable item like space. Therefore, the two points, which are the beginning-less and end-less characteristics cannot help you in understanding the real nature of God. If you start recognizing the God by simply these two points (beginning-less and end-less), you may think that God is an imaginable item like the space or energy or the creation. In fact based on these two characteristics people have imagined God as an imaginable item like space or energy or creation. This concept has misled people to such a low level that people think that God is the very infinite space or infinite energy or infinite creation. Therefore, one should filter the concept of God at this juncture itself. One should think that God has no beginning and no end because the beginning and the end of an unimaginable item are also unimaginable.
Too twisted and complicated - you have "dattaswami for Dummies" version (for me)?
The other effect of this answer is interesting. “If we accept then that God doesn’t have a belief in a being higher than himself, we must conclude that God is without belief in a supreme being and is therefore an atheist.”
Questions which have come from the debate are 1- If god is an atheist should theist strive to become atheist also?
2- If god is an atheist why would he need humanity to believe in him?
3- If we are all supposed to try to be like God, and all God believes in is himself and everything less powerful than himself, then why shouldn't we strive to believe in the same thing?
The first part: I don't see a conflict in a god that is an atheist.
Numbers 1-3: Where is it written or suggested that the religious should try to be like a god?
Am I missing something crucial here or is this just silly?
God has no beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The beginning and the end must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable item. The beginning and the end of the cosmic energy or space or the creation are also unimaginable. Therefore, the beginning and the end are unimaginable for the unimaginable item like God and also for the imaginable item like space. Therefore, the two points, which are the beginning-less and end-less characteristics cannot help you in understanding the real nature of God. If you start recognizing the God by simply these two points (beginning-less and end-less), you may think that God is an imaginable item like the space or energy or the creation. In fact based on these two characteristics people have imagined God as an imaginable item like space or energy or creation. This concept has misled people to such a low level that people think that God is the very infinite space or infinite energy or infinite creation. Therefore, one should filter the concept of God at this juncture itself. One should think that God has no beginning and no end because the beginning and the end of an unimaginable item are also unimaginable.
To be fair, the imagination is limited by what the individual believes to be realistic. So I'd say that the imagination is indeed limited, but less limited than conventional 'reality'; our imagination is limited by our creativity.
Hi, Marko.
Well, at least you know the difference.
I thought the thread was a cute, little joke until I saw people were actually debating the concept. Wouldn't matter and anti-matter cancel each other out? Robert
If God were a teenager, then He would worship Himself. Otherwise, He would be an Atheist. I cannot imagine God bowing down to Himself. Of course, each Being of the Trinity could take turns in worshipping the other two Beings. In that case, the two Beings doing the worshipping would be theists, and the one being worshipped would remain the Atheist. (I hope you can see how ridiculous "Godtalk" is. Because there is no actual content to what we are saying, anything can be said and anything can be "proven"). I believe one can safely assume from the actions of human beings over the centuries that no human has ever had any contact with any real God.
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So I'd say that the imagination is indeed limited, but less limited than conventional 'reality'; our imagination is limited by our creativity.
