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So no matter what one thinks, the choice to be gay is self destructive and should be illegal in order to protect those that have a weakness in that area....
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Between tobacco, obesity and alcohol we knock off about a million people per year, Are we to close down the local McDonald's? Give carrots for Halloween? We tried making alcohol illegal and it failed miserably. What about cigarettes? Those things are self destructive. I had a 79 Trans Am when I was younger, maybe we should take those off the road. A lot of people have accidents on the freeway...
I think you can see where this is going. What I want to ask is who gets to draw the line? Are we to round up all the gay people and take them to some clinic to give them pills, treatment and psychoanalysis to 'help them'? Do we just do like in Clockwork Orange and give them some medicine that makes them sick whenever they look at another man? Are we to monitor their brainwaves and give them an 'emergency' shot of anti gay medicine when they get out of line?
Should we make it illegal and arrest them and put them in prison (where nothing even resembling sodomy takes place)? Make them pay fines? You said it yourself SELF destructive? Don't you think this might be interfering with one's free will?
Right on.
I'm never going to drink but some days it seems like I should take it up.
My best friend got fired yesterday because they THOUGHT she was gay. She's engaged to her boyfriend and I find the whole thing sad and frustrating.
It's sad that it's actually legal to fire people in some state's based upon their sexual orientation or in this case, ASSUMED sexual orientation.
That's where it all falls apart to me. It's things like these that are totally BS to the point of being asinine. That borders sexual harassment to me, the workplace is where we go to work, not to figure out who screws who.
Gay people have the highest death rate between 15 and 40 of anyother group in society. They have the highest rates of disease and depression of any other group.
At a minimum the life choice is not one that leads to happiness, or long life.
So no matter what one thinks, the choice to be gay is self destructive and should be illegal in order to protect those that have a weakness in that area....
People born with birth defects and chemical imbalances have the same issues. Should we make it illegal for them to get marriage?
Gays don't have the highest rates of disease and depression. It's a big world out there.
Gay people have the highest death rate between 15 and 40 of anyother group in society.
They have the highest rates of disease and depression of anyother group.
At a minimum the life choice is not one that leads to happiness, or long life.
So no matter what one thinks, the choice to be gay is self destructive and should be illegal in order to protect those that have a weakness in that area....
We have to wear seatbelts when we drive, so i think that some rules on behaviour wouldn't be a bad idea... It use to be illegal to commit sodomy in all 50 states, and still is in many countries.
godspeed,
freedom
How is homosexuality self destructive, are they going out and massacring people who aren't homosexuals. Also, how does homosexuality lead to unhappiness, a homosexual couple that are in an intimate loving relationship have more happiness than that of a heterosexual couple in a miserable relationship. Why should a heterosexual couple who are miserable together have more of a chance at getting married than a homosexual couple who love each other. Also, sodomy occurs in heterosexual relationships, what's the difference with it happening in a heterosexual relationship compared to that of a homosexual one.
Dear Elizabeth, I am deeply flattered that you followed me here to this level-headed forum from the Christian forum where we crossed swords recently!
But please go easy on that little word sin that you are so fond of using... With all due respect, I really am very tired of it...[/i]
Brian.
Dear Brian, how nice of you to remember me. Unfortunately, I can't keep up with all the threads that I have contributed to, and I don't remember what it was we crossed swords about!
Back to your original comment, above.
Sorry, no can do. We are ALL sinners. If my saying that offends or bores you.....well the truth does hurt sometimes.
Whether you can see it or not, every word you write is dripping with rancour and spitefulness...
Nope, that's your predisposition... i have no spitefulness or rancour towards anyone, gay or straight. I do counter the I'm Gay and God made me that way crowd.
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You don't CARE for the folk you would have us believe your heart bleeds for in the least - it's a very transparent excuse for gay-bashing, pure and simple. So who do you think you are kidding.
Don't say what i believe or do not believe, you have no clue to what i am or what i know, or who i know, or what i believe. Leave your labels for the garbage can.
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Not a word from you about the huge tragedy of Aids in Africa, for instance, where the vast majority of the victims are young heterosexual people and their children. It's all very easy to sit at your computer and blast away at gays whilst ignoring the larger picture, I can see it's a favourite hobby of yours, and no doubt makes you feel VERY superior.
Start a thread on it, would love to discuss it. Again you don't know what or how i feel. So stop trying too.
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So please, don't insult my intelligence by pretending that your only motive is a concern for your fellow men and women. Reading between the lines, it is obvious to me that there is a strong element of gloating at the misfortune of others in your attitude, and a very unpleasant spectacle this is in any humane society, and does you little credit.
Maybe that's your problem, your reading between lines, where there is nothingness...try taking what someone says as what they mean and discussion can be fruitful.
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As for the persecution of black people I mentioned - forget the veiled threat. I have a wide circle of friends, and very many of them are decent and supportive black friends who, believe me, have no problems with their gay brothers and sisters.
Again, Veils, between the lines... would you like to think and speak for everyone? Try listening to what people type and you might learn what they think and feel.
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In fact, having come from a terrible background of oppression themselves, thay would have little sympathy with your ideas re. gays. They remember all too well that the bible explicitly condones slavery and the beating of slaves, so don't expect any sympathy in that quarter. People in general are getting more tolerant and enlightened by the day - which is why the bible is destined to be left behind as an arbiter of morality.
Is that your goal?
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The sooner it, and your outdated views (with respect) are relegated to history, the happier the world will be,
Between tobacco, obesity and alcohol we knock off about a million people per year, Are we to close down the local McDonald's?
Actually yes, Tobacco and Alchohol are already regulated and illegal for underage individuals.. there was legislation being formed to regulate McDonalds if they didn't offer healthier choices. And Junk food is being taken out of the schools. So we are progressing towards healthier ways.
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Give carrots for Halloween? We tried making alcohol illegal and it failed miserably. What about cigarettes? Those things are self destructive. I had a 79 Trans Am when I was younger, maybe we should take those off the road. A lot of people have accidents on the freeway...
In California you'd have to wait till you are 18 now to drive that TA. Carrots are a great alternative to candy on Holloween...We have the kids eat as much as they want the first night and next day and then it all goes in the can. No drawn out til Thanksgiving thing... the cavities have gone down since..
Since when does growing and learning become wrong in our society.
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I think you can see where this is going. What I want to ask is who gets to draw the line? Are we to round up all the gay people and take them to some clinic to give them pills, treatment and psychoanalysis to 'help them'? Do we just do like in Clockwork Orange and give them some medicine that makes them sick whenever they look at another man? Are we to monitor their brainwaves and give them an 'emergency' shot of anti gay medicine when they get out of line?
How about we just start with not saying its a good choice? How about not promoting it in our schools to elementary kids. How about no media force feeding on every sitcom, movie and pop song....
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Should we make it illegal and arrest them and put them in prison (where nothing even resembling sodomy takes place)? Make them pay fines? You said it yourself SELF destructive? Don't you think this might be interfering with one's free will?
Back to the seal belt law... i don't like to wear them., but if i don't i get fined... if i don't pay the fine they take away my license, then if i keep doin it i go to jail...
The gov't is good at messing with our free will. Even my 14yr. old daughter could go have a medical procedure done without my permission... how's that healthy?
People born with birth defects and chemical imbalances have the same issues. Should we make it illegal for them to get marriage?
Gays don't have the highest rates of disease and depression. It's a big world out there.
We have special programs and assisstance for such little ones. Maybe your suggestion is good and we need to fund those that have sexual disfunctions too.
Check your stats on the gay disease and depression issue.. you'll be surprised to know how much more it really is.
How is homosexuality self destructive, are they going out and massacring people who aren't homosexuals. Also, how does homosexuality lead to unhappiness, a homosexual couple that are in an intimate loving relationship have more happiness than that of a heterosexual couple in a miserable relationship. Why should a heterosexual couple who are miserable together have more of a chance at getting married than a homosexual couple who love each other. Also, sodomy occurs in heterosexual relationships, what's the difference with it happening in a heterosexual relationship compared to that of a homosexual one.
No doubt it does, and its wrong IMO...Sensualism leads to many poor uses of the human body.....Exit only!
godspeed,
freedom
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