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Homosexuality is not religion related. Human discomfort in something they aren't comfortable with (ie other religions, gayness, snakes, foreign cultures, aliens, etc) creates negative reactions, even violence.
Persecuting people or actions that are harmless and basically unknown unless that person announces it, only creates secretiveness and lying. I mean if you know your going to be ridiculed or judged for something that isn't really hurting anyone or anyone else's business, then the person will just tell you what you want to hear to avoid all the garbage that comes from the truth in this instance.
Its doesn't do any good, so why bother bashing and judging anyone.
Trying to change a tradition that dates back thousands of years and force feed a way of life that is abhorent to the majority is selfish and cruel.
By the way, why do most Atheist pro gay people on this forum want to be associated with a dominantly accepted religious ceremony? To most married couples, (even in todays anti religion climate), accept Marriage to be a holy union.
godspeed,
freedom
Freedom nobody is trying to change traditional marriage. Men and women will always be free to marry. I could care less if people are married in a church of by the county clerk, but you would still object to civil rather than religious weddings for gays wouldn't you. Actually I think you just object to their very existence.
Nobody is force feeding you anything. I do not understand your obsession with gays at all.
Trying to change a tradition that dates back thousands of years and force feed a way of life that is abhorent to the majority is selfish and cruel.
By the way, why do most Atheist pro gay people on this forum want to be associated with a dominantly accepted religious ceremony? To most married couples, (even in todays anti religion climate), accept Marriage to be a holy union.
godspeed,
freedom
Is somebody telling you that you have to marry another person of the same sex? No? Ah, well then.
It's about every human being have the same rights as the next. You, as a heterosexual, have the right to marry whoever you love provided that person is a consenting adult. Homosexuals do not have the right to marry whoever they love simply because they love "outside the box". It's classic oppression. "You're different, therefore you're less than us and not as deserving of the same rights and opportunities as everybody else."
Was it abhorant and cruel when blacks sought to be accepted during the Civil Rights movement? How about when women fought for the right to vote? When they fought to change traditions and be seen as equal human beings and not property?
As for your second paragraph... If you ask me, marriage is about as big a farce as religion - divorce statistics can back me up on that. But marriage brings with it benefits - insurance coverage, for example. I've seen some people suggest that the government could offer Civil Unions (regardless of whether the couple are heterosexual or homosexual) and then marriages could be a thing for churches if the couple so chose to take that route (but they would first need to go through a civil union for the govt to recognize the marriage/union) ... and some homosexuals would. Homosexual isn't synonymous with atheist, after all.
They can call it whatever they want, I don't care one way or the other..but the same options and benefits (filing tax returns as a couple, insurance coverage, etc) should be extended to everybody, regardless of sexual preferences.
Freedom nobody is trying to change traditional marriage. Men and women will always be free to marry. I could care less if people are married in a church of by the county clerk, but would still object to civil rather than religious weddings for gays wouldn't you. Actually I think you just object to their very existence.
Nobody is force feeding you anything. I do not understand your obsession with gays at all.
Imho marriage has become more a legal binding that a religious one. It may have started that way and is still practiced that way by many, but the fact is you can get married to be legally bound and it can be done without an ounce of religion involved (ie the county clerk).
The sanctity of marriage went out the window as soon as people started getting married, after knowing each other for 1 day, by Elvis in Las Vegas.
I heard more people are just starting to live together. If things go bad, they just leave, no messy divorce nonsense. They settle things out between them and leave the Courts out of it that way.
I heard more people are just starting to live together. If things go bad, they just leave, no messy divorce nonsense. They settle things out between them and leave the Courts out of it that way.
My husband and I had decided to live without marriage (not because we thought a break up would be easier than a divorce..rather because we felt we didn't need a piece of paper to verify our love for one another..), and we did for 5 years. By the time we were married we had a house, and a 2 year old, and planning a second child. It was only so that I could be covered on his insurance that we filled out the paperwork at all.
My husband and I had decided to live without marriage (not because we thought a break up would be easier than a divorce..rather because we felt we didn't need a piece of paper to verify our love for one another..), and we did for 5 years. By the time we were married we had a house, and a 2 year old, and planning a second child. It was only so that I could be covered on his insurance that we filled out the paperwork at all.
Exactly. Marriage is about the legal benefits these days. Everyone deserves the right to be on their partner's insurance.
You see so many gay threads under relgion because the majority of persecution of gay people stems directly from Christianity!
Opinion of right and wrong is not persecution...
PERSECUTION - The infliction of suffering or harm upon those who differ (in race, religion or political opinion) in a way regarded as offensive.
I make no gay suffer, i've never hurt a gay physically, never have wished them or inflicted harm upon a Gay person.
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Times change. Words change. Gay marriage is here to stay. I'd suggest getting over it.
No thanks. I find redefining marriage to be offensive.
godspeed,
freedom
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