Deal wins the Republican nomination! (Atlanta: section 8, layoffs, voucher)

[johnatl]

I found this Editorial in this weeks Creative Loafing a pretty interesting read.

It's and open letter "To a red state, from your blue city."

To a red state, from your blue city | Opinion | Creative Loafing Atlanta

[mike7586]

Originally Posted by suprascooby22

How do you know what Deal or Barnes will do? Can you read minds? If so please tell us who will win the Super Bowl this year. I eagerly await your reply.

Rural Republican politicians from Georgia have a track record of doing nothing for this state - look at the past 8 years. Perdue finally grows a pair and comes up with a transportation bill in his last year as Governor! And we can't even vote on it until 2012! No progress on the water issue and our school system as a state is still terrible.

Their only solution is to cut taxes for corporations and the wealthy. Cutting taxes for corporations only goes so far - companies want to relocate to places that are also investing in their infrastructure and have good schools. Texas, a Republican stronghold, gets it (atleast with the infrastructure part). Why can't Georgia?

[neil0311]

Originally Posted by mike7586

Rural Republican politicians from Georgia have a track record of doing nothing for this state - look at the past 8 years. Perdue finally grows a pair and comes up with a transportation bill in his last year as Governor! And we can't even vote on it until 2012! No progress on the water issue and our school system as a state is still terrible.

OK...what if I concede for the purpose of your argument that what you say is true and the Republicans have done nothing.

Can you tell me what the Democrats did? Did Roy Barnes or Tom Murphy solve the transportation and water problems? Why not?

My manager tells me constantly...."don't come into my office and tell me the problems without telling me the solution as well." So what is a REALISTIC solution to all of these issues? What could have been done with the last two years being a fiscal mess?

What would Barnes have done, had he been re-elected in 2002, and why didn't he do it in his first term?

[cityrover]

nobody can be as bad as puffdue!

that said im glad that nutcase handel is out. she was seriously scaring me....

[Georgia]

Originally Posted by neil0311

OK...what if I concede for the purpose of your argument that what you say is true and the Republicans have done nothing.

Can you tell me what the Democrats did? Did Roy Barnes or Tom Murphy solve the transportation and water problems? Why not?

My manager tells me constantly...."don't come into my office and tell me the problems without telling me the solution as well." So what is a REALISTIC solution to all of these issues? What could have been done with the last two years being a fiscal mess?

What would Barnes have done, had he been re-elected in 2002, and why didn't he do it in his first term?

Exactly Neil

I have been on my soapbox since the beginning in regard to King Roy. I find it also amazing of the Sonny slammers, stating comments as they do. Ok, I am not a Sonny Money fan but for the rants in favor of King Roy? Well, I think this fraud speaks for himself.

Though King Roy is touting his TV ad's about how bad Georgia is, well let's think about how GOOD Georgia is considering our sliding national economy. We are now the 9th largest state in the union, we have one of the largest economies in America, even in the downturn during the last 2 years we have added manufacturing and welcomed the move of 2 Fortune 500 companies to the Atlanta metro area.
We still maintain top 10 ranking in upper University Education, diversity, and strength.

So where were we under the past tenure of King Roy Crowe, woops! I mean Barnes? Oh yes, outside of being the laughing stock of America being compared to Deliverance, Smokey and the Bandit, and the Dukes of Hazzard, Georgia ranked in the basement on just about everything else.

Let's go folks! Keep beating the drum for King Roy! Stop your car, place it in reverse and hit the turbo's. Let's go backward!!! Vote for King Roy Barnes and you will have your reality.

[arjay57]

Where does the term King Roy come from? Perdue was governor twice as long so if anybody is king it seems like it would be King Sonny. However, I don't hear people say that.

[neil0311]

Originally Posted by mike7586

Rural Republican politicians from Georgia have a track record of doing nothing for this state - look at the past 8 years. Perdue finally grows a pair and comes up with a transportation bill in his last year as Governor! And we can't even vote on it until 2012! No progress on the water issue and our school system as a state is still terrible.

Originally Posted by neil0311

What would Barnes have done, had he been re-elected in 2002, and why didn't he do it in his first term?

Come on Mike. Pony up. The world has been ruined by Republicans. Granted for the sake of this thread.

What is the plan put forth by Democrats? I have heard Barnes spout a bunch of generalities and buzzwords to grab attention. What is the specific plan and how will it be paid for, in realistic and not pie in the sky terms?

And please enlighten me why none of these terrible problems were solved by Barnes in his first term, when he had a majority in the state legislature and a much better economy, thanks to the Republicans in the US Congress. If he couldn't get it done under those conditions, why should I or anyone else believe he has the ability to get it done now?

[AcidSnake]

And you never will. Personality politics is real big in the south, right after the obsession over political party affiliation.

After being a member on city-data for over a year & a half, what I seem to find is that there are so many folks on the net just as in the real world who are so totally unwilling to concede to just about anything. There is very little or no willingness to find a middle ground what-so-ever.

It's rather disconcerting, really...

Originally Posted by arjay57

Where does the term King Roy come from? Perdue was governor twice as long so if anybody is king it seems like it would be King Sonny. However, I don't hear people say that.

[neil0311]

Originally Posted by AcidSnake

There is very little or no willingness to find a middle ground what-so-ever.

I don't think that's necessarily true, but also when you look at many of the political issues discussed, it's tough to find middle ground. You either believe something or you don't.

To me, what is disconcerting is that fact that so many people in our society have no concrete beliefs or philosophy. They waffle and change their opions based on short term events and influences. How can Jimmy Carter win the 1976 election and Ronald Reagan win overwhelmingly 4 years later? Same thing for Bush in 2004 and Obama in 2008. Why do congressional majorities ebb and flow?

It's because most people in this country are apathetic and get their information from talking points and sound bites, and they lack a deeper understanding of issues that affect them. People "in the middle" are many times (not always) merely people who are indecisive and lack enough knowledge to make a firm choice as to what side of the fence they come down on.

I'd rather discuss politics with a hard core lefty, rather than someone who says they have no strong opionion or don't know.

[AcidSnake]

Originally Posted by neil0311

I don't think that's necessarily true, but also when you look at many of the political issues discussed, it's tough to find middle ground. You either believe something or you don't.

Maybe, but I also recognize that there are many gray areas in this world. Just like when someone on here was reminiscing about returning to a world of Constitutionality & the good old days when the reality is many politicians both liberal AND conservative have ignored the constitution & individual rights when it was convenient to do so. I and others like myself pointed that out way too many times & yet the same comments still prevail.

Originally Posted by neil0311

To me, what is disconcerting is that fact that so many people in our society have no concrete beliefs or philosophy. They waffle and change their opions based on short term events and influences. How can Jimmy Carter win the 1976 election and Ronald Reagan win overwhelmingly 4 years later? Same thing for Bush in 2004 and Obama in 2008. Why do congressional majorities ebb and flow?.

Because our two-party system simply does not allow for any sort of meaningful choice. I know you & others of the same mindset like yourself see it as well and yet to me it seems like you guys resign yourselves to the same back & forth without even wondering why our two-party system is the way it is. I find that very frustrating.

Originally Posted by neil0311

It's because most people in this country are apathetic and get their information from talking points and sound bites, and they lack a deeper understanding of issues that affect them. People "in the middle" are many times (not always) merely people who are indecisive and lack enough knowledge to make a firm choice as to what side of the fence they come down on.

I'd rather discuss politics with a hard core lefty, rather than someone who says they have no strong opionion or don't know.

I simply think that middle of the road people feel like they don't have a choice. If we had a multiparty parlimentary system, I think people would be more engaged in their political system, & would be more inspired to reign in political abuses of the national treasury, whether it be for foreign or domestic spending.

I wouldn't mind it if someone had started a Neo-Confederate party or a Nationalist party as long as I am able to start a permanent Green party or Socialist party. I want a political party that actually reflects my particular ideology, not one that seems to alter its national message based on the views of a particular dominant region.

The two-party system is not true choice, & we Americans are fooling ourselves if we ever thought it was in the first place.