GA Music Hall of Fame moving to...Woodstock? (Atlanta, Savannah: condo, how much)

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by aries4118

And also understand everyone's point about the GMHOF being in Atlanta (or Savannah)--I just feel sorry for Macon. I just wish it could work there (or in Augusta, or in Albany, or in Athens).

Yes, poor Macon. I think sometimes that this city is undersold, since it has the largest historic district in the state (larger than Savannah!), antebellum homes (Sherman never set foot there) and a couple of lovely universities. In the minds of most, it just seems like a place to drive through.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by LovinDecatur

Yes, poor Macon. I think sometimes that this city is undersold, since it has the largest historic district in the state (larger than Savannah!), antebellum homes (Sherman never set foot there) and a couple of lovely universities. In the minds of most, it just seems like a place to drive through.

Yep--and the university factor (Mercer University--which has a law school and medical school...both in Macon; Wesleyan, etc.) is definitely undersold.

[BringBackCobain]

Originally Posted by JPD

Yeah, you can dispute it, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who would agree with you.

Who you enjoy listening to is subjective. Who has been an important figure in the development of popular music is not subjective.

I don't particularly like listening to James Brown, but his influence on popular music styles is vast and undeniable. He alone is reason enough to have a Georgia Music Hall of Fame.

If you only classify "anyone" as the people on this forum who either constantly push an afro-centric agenda or are too scared/PC to say that certain artists are not among the most important of all time... then yes, I would agree. But in general, I would not be hard pressed to find people who agreed that those five artists are among the most important musicians of all time. You're just trying to justify a statement that has no factual basis with the opinions of others who think like you.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by BringBackCobain

But in general, I would not be hard pressed to find people who agreed that those five artists are among the most important musicians of all time.

The five he listed are all great and personal favorites of mine, although in terms of "ranking" you'd have to include iconic performers like the Allman Brothers and REM at the same level.

[DTL3000]

Originally Posted by BringBackCobain

If you only classify "anyone" as the people on this forum who either constantly push an afro-centric agenda or are too scared/PC to say that certain artists are not among the most important of all time... then yes, I would agree. But in general, I would not be hard pressed to find people who agreed that those five artists are among the most important musicians of all time. You're just trying to justify a statement that has no factual basis with the opinions of others who think like you.

Those five artists, with the exception of maybe Gladys Knight are, in this white boys opinion, probably in the top ten of the most influential artists in American music history. They are certainly much more influential than Kurt Cobain could ever be considered. He was a flash in the pan and grunge has aged about as well as potato salad in the Mojave desert. It was humorless, self-absorbed whining that sadly continues to hang on at the crappy radio stations which play "modern" rock. The bands that are still relevant from that period could never be considered "grunge" anyway. That was a clever marketing concept and you fell for it.

It's true that music is subjective, but it is hard to argue against the fact that the most influential American artists, when it comes to innovation and long term impact, have been largely African American(ex. Miles Davis, John Coltrane). White people have copied and revered black musicians since the early days of jazz and continue to do so to a certain extent. I think it's only recently that popular music has become more and more segregated which is ironic since everyday life seems to be moving in the other direction.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by BringBackCobain

If you only classify "anyone" as the people on this forum who either constantly push an afro-centric agenda or are too scared/PC to say that certain artists are not among the most important of all time... then yes, I would agree. But in general, I would not be hard pressed to find people who agreed that those five artists are among the most important musicians of all time. You're just trying to justify a statement that has no factual basis with the opinions of others who think like you.

First of all, by anyone, I mean anyone in the western world who has a basic grasp on the history of popular music.

There is nothing PC about saying James Brown is one of the most important figures in popular music history. Whether you will allow yourself to accept it or not, that's a fact which can be demonstrated concretely.

If you think James Brown is not one of the most influential popular musical artists of all time, then you obviously know very little about music history.

[DTL3000]

Originally Posted by JPD

If you think James Brown is not one of the most influential popular musical artists of all time, then you obviously know very little about music history.

The Godfather of soul, the father of funk, and the most sampled man in the business.

He should get his own hall of fame just for this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdz88MBWomo

[arjay57]

I often listen to JB when I'm out walking the dogs.

"Get up offa that thing, dance till you feel better
Get up offa that thing, try to release that pressure."

Truly Soul Brother No. 1. I wonder if Bootsy Collins was playing on that track?

[JPD]

Originally Posted by DTL3000

The Godfather of soul, the father of funk, and the most sampled man in the business.

In addition, he also left a huge mark on the British bands of the '60s (many of them covered his songs, and virtually all of them have named him as an influence/inspiration), the hard rock bands of the '70s (Aerosmith covered Brown's "Mother Popcorn", Led Zeppelin aped his sound on "The Crunge", etc.) and on Jazz (Miles Davis named Brown as a huge influence on his '70s output.)


Sorry Cobain, it's just not debatable.

[BringBackCobain]

Originally Posted by DTL3000

Those five artists, with the exception of maybe Gladys Knight are, in this white boys opinion, probably in the top ten of the most influential artists in American music history. They are certainly much more influential than Kurt Cobain could ever be considered. He was a flash in the pan and grunge has aged about as well as potato salad in the Mojave desert. It was humorless, self-absorbed whining that sadly continues to hang on at the crappy radio stations which play "modern" rock. The bands that are still relevant from that period could never be considered "grunge" anyway. That was a clever marketing concept and you fell for it.

It's true that music is subjective, but it is hard to argue against the fact that the most influential American artists, when it comes to innovation and long term impact, have been largely African American(ex. Miles Davis, John Coltrane). White people have copied and revered black musicians since the early days of jazz and continue to do so to a certain extent. I think it's only recently that popular music has become more and more segregated which is ironic since everyday life seems to be moving in the other direction.

Please remember, as much as you might prefer otherwise, that we are communicating online, via computer. Yes, my screen name references Kurt Cobain, but you do not know me personally, nor do you know my views on Kurt Cobain, or how I "fell" for grunge (hard to do since I was 4 when Nevermind came out). It is just a screen name...

With that said, your views on Kurt Cobain, his influence, and grunge (used to describe a genre of rock) are extremely inaccurate. First of all, grunge refers to music, not some Gap model rocking flannel. Cobain himself hated it, but its how the genre of music is described (Grunge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

And grunge rock, while aged now (I mean it hasn't been 20 years or anything...), was still hugely significant stage in the history of rock that can't be understated, as significant as the British invasion or psychedelia. It changed rock music forever, especially in its relation to the demise of 80s Hair Bands. And just as those earlier formats of rock influenced grunge, grunge influenced alternative ("post-grunge") rock, which in turn influenced contemporary indie rock.

Your views are what they are - your views - but they show that you either have no clue when it comes to rock music or that you just want to score some brownie points by minimizing the influence of a musical genre that is largely dominated by whites.

In regards to your second statement, that "it's hard to argue against the fact", I am not buying your self-hating concept that whites must swallow without argument a theory (not a fact - there is a difference) that the only influential and long-lasting musicians are black, and that any white musician's success is the result of his imitation of a black musician.