We need some pedestrian education (Atlanta: cul-de-sac, university, suburban)

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by arjay57

The thing is, how can I see them when they dart out in front of me without warning?

Wouldn't you assume that somebody is not going to step (or in some cases run) off the sidewalk and into the street without warning or demonstrating any intent to do so?

Today for example, I had a jogger run right out into the street in front of me. He had his headphones on and wasn't aware of anything going on around him. Fortunately I was paying close attention and was able to come to an abrupt stop. He didn't even notice how close he had come and just kept on running.

You are the one entering (turning) the roadway and therefor should ensure it is safe to cross.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by arjay57

The thing is, how can I see them when they dart out in front of me without warning?

Wouldn't you assume that somebody is not going to step (or in some cases run) off the sidewalk and into the street without warning or demonstrating any intent to do so?

Today for example, I had a jogger run right out into the street in front of me. He had his headphones on and wasn't aware of anything going on around him. Fortunately I was paying close attention and was able to come to an abrupt stop. He didn't even notice how close he had come and just kept on running.

Arjay, you and I and everyone else on this forum knows full well that CQ will never admit that a pedestrian (or cyclist) has the ability to create a hazard.

But the truth is, CQ is wrong. There are lots of scenarios in which drivers do everything right, but a pedestrian jumps out of nowhere into the street. All you have to do is drive near GSU to see this in action.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by JPD

Arjay, you and I and everyone else on this forum knows full well that CQ will never admit that a pedestrian (or cyclist) has the ability to create a hazard.

But the truth is, CQ is wrong. There are lots of scenarios in which drivers do everything right, but a pedestrian jumps out of nowhere into the street. All you have to do is drive near GSU to see this in action.

Unless a sign posted at that intersection pro-hibits doing so, it is permissible to make a “right turn on red” at an intersection controlled by a traffic control light. You may proceed only after making a complete stop, yielding to all traffic and pedestrians, and making the determination that you can safely complete the turn

How To Make A Right Turn
•Using appropriate signals, and giving drivers ahead of and behind you adequate notice, activate your right turn signal;
•Approach the intersection in the right lane, staying as close as practicable to the curb or edge of the roadway;
•If there is a bicycle lane on the road on which you are traveling, you must yield to bicyclists traveling straight through the intersection before making a right turn;
•Make the turn in such a way as to end up in the right lane of the street into which you have turned and avoid entering any other lane of traffic. If there are multiple turning lanes on the street you are turning from, com-plete the turn so that your vehicle ends up in the corresponding lane on the street you are turning onto.

Watching for Pedestrians When Making TurnsAt most intersections where there is a pe-destrian signal, the “Walk” signal of the cross-ing street corresponds to the green light of the roadway you are traveling on. This means that when you are authorized to turn, pedestrians are authorized to cross the street onto which you are turning at the same time. Therefore, before making your turn, you must stop and remain stopped for any pedestrians in the crosswalk of the road onto which you wish to turn until they have cleared the lanes of traffic upon which you are traveling

Georgia DDS Handbook (GA Driver's Manual) 2017

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by cqholt

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Georgia DDS Handbook (GA Driver's Manual) 2017

So I have strictly complied with all of the above (as always).

How does that address the problem of pedestrians illegally darting out into the intersection?

[JPD]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Georgia DDS Handbook (GA Driver's Manual) 2017

Go drive over by GSU then come on back and plead your case. Driving rules will not keep peds from getting themselves killed via their own ignorant actions.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by JPD

Go drive over by GSU then come on back and plead your case.

As a pedestrian in Downtown and GSU, I do see horrible pedestrian behavior in those areas. Which means drivers and pedestrians should be even more aware.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by arjay57

So I have strictly complied with all of the above (as always).

How does that address the problem of pedestrians illegally darting out into the intersection?

What was illegal about what the pedestrian did? I listed the laws above, so please be as specific as possible and thank you for driving slow in our urban areas.

[sedimenjerry]

Originally Posted by cqholt

What was illegal about what the pedestrian did? I listed the laws above, so please be as specific as possible and thank you for driving slow in our urban areas.

This is from Seattle but this is exactly what Arjay is talking about.

But did you know that it actually against the law to dart out into the roadway or suddenly enter a crosswalk? The law states that no pedestrian shall suddenly leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle which is so close that it is impossible for the driver to stop. Darting out into the roadway is frequently a contributing cause in vehicle-pedestrian collisions. Stopping at the curb before entering the roadway signals drivers that you intend to cross the street.

Here's this from Gahighwaysafety.org

(b) No pedestrian shall suddenly leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle which is so close that it is impractical for the driver to yield.

Which is also stated here.

[JPD]

CQ, read that ^^

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by JPD

CQ, read that ^^