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Old 10-11-2016, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Originally Posted by Singapore101 View Post
Last I heard, the city was growing.
I'm not here to pick a fight or put anyone down, but I am gonna fact check...

Detroit city decreased in population by 5% from 713k to 677k from 2010 to 2015. Even that is a far cry from its peak population back close to the '50s. The problems persist.

The only difference is even Detroit is seeing its small pockets of gentrification for suburban dwellers moving back towards the city, however overall the city as a whole is shrinking still.

The city has some problems and has an uphill battle. It was left behind as some industries moved out and it hit the parts of the Detroit where those working class populations lived the most the hardest.

Detroit has some nice parts and nice bones, but is full of problems needing to be worked on and I truly wish it the best. The existing 4.2 million people don't exist without jobs and some wealth, but it isn't growing yet. People might be shifting preferences in places within the region.


Much of this comes back to jobs. More jobs create money and fewer jobs make money leave. As money comes into the area people can built it up in ways they see as better. As money leaves the area, people struggle to sustain what has already been built. This is why Detroit is working on shrinking the city's assets. They need to shrink costs to maintain what is left with better quality.

Even Metro Detroit has been slightly shrinking. (about 3,000 people per year) and this is in the 2013-2014 most recent census estimates.
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Old 10-11-2016, 09:40 PM
 
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No but Atlanta ranks high in desirability.People like living here versus "they got a job so they gotta stay"
I left because of a job. Atlanta's "beauty" was not keeping me there. And what ranking rated Atlanta high in desirability? One check I did of US News

http://realestate.usnews.com/real-es...ive-in-the-us/

left Atlanta out.
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Old 10-12-2016, 01:40 AM
 
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I left because of a job. Atlanta's "beauty" was not keeping me there. And what ranking rated Atlanta high in desirability? One check I did of US News

The 20 Most Desirable Places to Live in the U.S. | US News Real Estate

left Atlanta out.
My point was people get jobs in a lot of places but if they dont like the place,they are constantly looking for another job anywhere but where they dont like.

I never said Atlanta beauty would be enough to keep a person in Atlanta.Its one of several things depending on the person that would keep them there,

For instance I am here because :A it does not snow
2)It relatively inexpensive
3(its a good quality of life for anyone but especially an African American
4)The economy is good
5)ITS A PRETTY CITY
6)Its Diverse
Now do you understand?Someone else list maybe in another order but pretty is usually a sentiment where as pretty might be Number one to describe Savannah or Charleston.
Your poll is definitely interesting.Jacksonville?Albuquerque?Raleigh Durham?All nice places but hardly in the radr of most people

The Harris Poll which is widely respected as being very accurate.They even break in down by genheration.Its a very thorough survey and does have some of the same cities on it that make more obvious swense:
//www.city-data.com/forum/city-...tes-those.html

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Old 10-12-2016, 09:53 AM
 
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Your poll is definitely interesting.Jacksonville?Albuquerque?Raleigh Durham?All nice places but hardly in the radr of most people.
There's no one city on the radar of most people in terms of a place to live (even NYC and LA which are generally considered highly desirable but $$$ keeps a lot of people away), but Raleigh/Durham is in a different category than Jacksonville and ABQ here.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:15 AM
 
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Well I will say this about the original article. There are parts of Guatemala City that are fabulous. Streets lined in flowers with nice buildings. It feels like parts of Paris or Vancouver, not like the ugliest city in the world. The worst part about Guatemala City is the dark sky because of all the burning in the rural areas.

As for the Rust Belt, Buffalo is pretty boring. And I've spent very little time in Detroit, but there was a National Geographic article that showed vast swaths of abandoned areas where they have simply torn down the houses and left empty lots. Regardless of what the remaining houses look like, that is not a good look.

Atlanta has very nice parts. Downtown is not one of its better parts.
On the bold, there is an active "urban farming" concept in Detroit and many of the lots are being turned into urban farms.

However, I'll note that the areas where this occurred are not all over the city. There are core neighborhoods in Detroit that do not deal with this issue.

In the Midwest, even in Detroit, IMO they have much more active code enforcement whereas they will demolish abandoned and dangerous structures. Detroit has a pretty active landbank. Honestly, I wish Atlanta was similar in demolishing its blighted structures. I think many people on this forum just don't visit areas of Atlanta where blight is a huge concern because most people stay rather close to their homes/work.

I went all over Atlanta with my work and I know that there are places that definately do need to be totally demolished and turned into a grassy lot. Most of those places are huge abandoned apartment complexes on the west and northwest sides of the city in particular. I think in Atlanta doing this would be great considering Atlanta has an active redevelopment spirit and companies with the money to make projects happen. I also think grassy lots look better than abandoned, burned out and blighted apartment complexes or houses.

Detroit is still risky but there is a lot of development activity in Detroit. They also have a "Curbed" website if you want to follow what is going on there (Curbed Detroit)

Perusing the site and you will see the beautiful neighborhoods that are within the city.
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Well I will say this about the original article. There are parts of Guatemala City that are fabulous. Streets lined in flowers with nice buildings. It feels like parts of Paris or Vancouver, not like the ugliest city in the world. The worst part about Guatemala City is the dark sky because of all the burning in the rural areas.

As for the Rust Belt, Buffalo is pretty boring. And I've spent very little time in Detroit, but there was a National Geographic article that showed vast swaths of abandoned areas where they have simply torn down the houses and left empty lots. Regardless of what the remaining houses look like, that is not a good look.

Atlanta has very nice parts. Downtown is not one of its better parts.
Taking Back Detroit | National Geographic
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:06 AM
 
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There's no one city on the radar of most people in terms of a place to live (even NYC and LA which are generally considered highly desirable but $$$ keeps a lot of people away), but Raleigh/Durham is in a different category than Jacksonville and ABQ here.
Well duh.but some cities dont stand out other than a job or economy.Raleigh is not a pretty city nor is it ugly.
It does have a good economy and a good quality of life.
Charlotte is what I would call pretty.
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Old 10-12-2016, 01:57 PM
 
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Well duh.but some cities dont stand out other than a job or economy.Raleigh is not a pretty city nor is it ugly.
It does have a good economy and a good quality of life.
Charlotte is what I would call pretty.
In terms of natural setting and the aesthetics of the built environment, Raleigh and Charlotte are practically equal.
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Old 10-12-2016, 02:03 PM
 
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In the Midwest, even in Detroit, IMO they have much more active code enforcement whereas they will demolish abandoned and dangerous structures. Detroit has a pretty active landbank. Honestly, I wish Atlanta was similar in demolishing its blighted structures. I think many people on this forum just don't visit areas of Atlanta where blight is a huge concern because most people stay rather close to their homes/work.
Most people don't visit those areas because there's nothing worth visiting and it's relatively easy to get to the places worth visiting without passing through those areas. The most blighted parts of Atlanta are somewhat tucked away.
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Old 10-12-2016, 03:06 PM
 
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Most people don't visit those areas because there's nothing worth visiting and it's relatively easy to get to the places worth visiting without passing through those areas. The most blighted parts of Atlanta are somewhat tucked away.
The same can be said of most cities IMO. However, it is better to go ahead and demolish those structure for the public good.
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