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One of the things both Atlanta and Dallas have in common is that new stadiums are being built outside of the downtown areas. This is opposite of a trend in some other cities. The MLB Braves are building theirs 10 miles northwest of downtown Atlanta in Cumberland. Jerry Jones' palace for the NFL Cowboys was built in Arlington and the MLB Rangers continue to play in Arlington. I do know that at least the Falcons new stadium will not be far from where they currently play,so certainly glad they did not bolt for the suburbs, but they play far fewer games than the Braves. The Braves deserved better from the city of Atlanta and have had better and more consistent success than the Falcons with several appearances in the playoffs and the World Series over the last 25 years. Falcons made it to the Super Bowl just once and lost. BTW, I do think Atlanta has a good chance to host that game in 2019.
Many major cities have put these (or have plans to do so) in their downtowns in the last decade or so to add more vitality (Minneapolis, San Diego, Sacramento soon, and some others).
I am surprised the civic leaders that represent the downtowns in Atlanta and Dallas did not have the clout to make it happen vs. the suburban leaders. Do the math: multiply average attendance by number of home games and find out how many fewer people will be downtown than could have otherwise happened.
I know someone will chirp back that some people go straight to the game and straight back home. However, if even a modest 20% of them get there early to do something or stay afterwards to do something, it has a strong impact. Occasionally on a weekend game, a fan (esp one from outside the metro) might stay downtown overnight, too and eat breakfast or lunch the next day before going home.
Both cities will be missing out on that additional vitality and the additional people that could have been downtown instead of in outlying areas.
Both are fine cities with green landscapes and I am only critiquing this one aspect, not "bashing".
At least it got the thread away from various word definitions that most of us already know and back to city topics. LOL!
Last edited by chessgeek; 05-29-2014 at 03:01 PM..
One of the things both Atlanta and Dallas have in common is that new stadiums are being built outside of the downtown areas. This is opposite of a trend in some other cities. The MLB Braves are building theirs 10 miles northwest of downtown Atlanta in Cumberland. Jerry Jones' palace for the NFL Cowboys was built in Arlington and the MLB Rangers continue to play in Arlington. I do know that at least the Falcons new stadium will not be far from where they currently play,so certainly glad they did not bolt for the suburbs, but they play far fewer games than the Braves. The Braves deserved better from the city of Atlanta and have had better and more consistent success than the Falcons with several appearances in the playoffs and the World Series over the last 25 years. Falcons made it to the Super Bowl just once and lost. BTW, I do think Atlanta has a good chance to host that game in 2019.
Many major cities have put these (or have plans to do so) in their downtowns in the last decade or so to add more vitality (Minneapolis, San Diego, Sacramento soon, and some others).
I am surprised the civic leaders that represent the downtowns in Atlanta and Dallas did not have the clout to make it happen vs. the suburban leaders. Do the math: multiply average attendance by number of home games and find out how many fewer people will be downtown than could have otherwise happened.
I know someone will chirp back that some people go straight to the game and straight back home. However, if even a modest 20% of them get there early to do something or stay afterwards to do something, it has a strong impact. Occasionally on a weekend game, a fan (esp one from outside the metro) might stay downtown overnight, too and eat breakfast or lunch the next day before going home.
Both cities will be missing out on that additional vitality and the additional people that could have been downtown instead of in outlying areas.
Both are fine cities with green landscapes and I am only critiquing this one aspect, not "bashing".
At least it got the thread away from various word definitions that most of us already know and back to city topics. LOL!
Good points; however, they do imply that the city center is a better place and more deserving of these facilities and activities than any other place. While I have to agree with you, I do know I'm biased.
Last edited by AnsleyPark; 05-29-2014 at 06:26 PM..
One of the things both Atlanta and Dallas have in common is that new stadiums are being built outside of the downtown areas. This is opposite of a trend in some other cities. The MLB Braves are building theirs 10 miles northwest of downtown Atlanta in Cumberland. Jerry Jones' palace for the NFL Cowboys was built in Arlington and the MLB Rangers continue to play in Arlington. I do know that at least the Falcons new stadium will not be far from where they currently play,so certainly glad they did not bolt for the suburbs, but they play far fewer games than the Braves. The Braves deserved better from the city of Atlanta and have had better and more consistent success than the Falcons with several appearances in the playoffs and the World Series over the last 25 years. Falcons made it to the Super Bowl just once and lost. BTW, I do think Atlanta has a good chance to host that game in 2019.
Many major cities have put these (or have plans to do so) in their downtowns in the last decade or so to add more vitality (Minneapolis, San Diego, Sacramento soon, and some others).
I am surprised the civic leaders that represent the downtowns in Atlanta and Dallas did not have the clout to make it happen vs. the suburban leaders. Do the math: multiply average attendance by number of home games and find out how many fewer people will be downtown than could have otherwise happened.
I know someone will chirp back that some people go straight to the game and straight back home. However, if even a modest 20% of them get there early to do something or stay afterwards to do something, it has a strong impact. Occasionally on a weekend game, a fan (esp one from outside the metro) might stay downtown overnight, too and eat breakfast or lunch the next day before going home.
Both cities will be missing out on that additional vitality and the additional people that could have been downtown instead of in outlying areas.
Both are fine cities with green landscapes and I am only critiquing this one aspect, not "bashing".
At least it got the thread away from various word definitions that most of us already know and back to city topics. LOL!
A big difference in Dallas is that Arlington is about the halfway point between downtown Dallas and downtown Fort Worth... actually a bit closer to Fort Worth. Also of note, the Cowboys moved to Arlington from Irving and the Rangers have never been in Dallas, moved to Arlington directly from Washington.
The site of Texas stadium in Irving was just across the Trinity River from the city limits of Dallas, a very similar distance and just across the border as the Braves new Cobb location is compared to the CoA. The NBA Mavericks and NHL Stars do play in American Airlines Arena in downtown Dallas, but the MLS Franchise FC Dallas is about 25 miles up the tollway in Frisco. That would be more akin to an Atlanta franchise in Alpharetta or South Forsyth.
One of the things both Atlanta and Dallas have in common is that new stadiums are being built outside of the downtown areas. This is opposite of a trend in some other cities. The MLB Braves are building theirs 10 miles northwest of downtown Atlanta in Cumberland. Jerry Jones' palace for the NFL Cowboys was built in Arlington and the MLB Rangers continue to play in Arlington. I do know that at least the Falcons new stadium will not be far from where they currently play,so certainly glad they did not bolt for the suburbs, but they play far fewer games than the Braves. The Braves deserved better from the city of Atlanta and have had better and more consistent success than the Falcons with several appearances in the playoffs and the World Series over the last 25 years. Falcons made it to the Super Bowl just once and lost. BTW, I do think Atlanta has a good chance to host that game in 2019.
Many major cities have put these (or have plans to do so) in their downtowns in the last decade or so to add more vitality (Minneapolis, San Diego, Sacramento soon, and some others).
I am surprised the civic leaders that represent the downtowns in Atlanta and Dallas did not have the clout to make it happen vs. the suburban leaders. Do the math: multiply average attendance by number of home games and find out how many fewer people will be downtown than could have otherwise happened.
I know someone will chirp back that some people go straight to the game and straight back home. However, if even a modest 20% of them get there early to do something or stay afterwards to do something, it has a strong impact. Occasionally on a weekend game, a fan (esp one from outside the metro) might stay downtown overnight, too and eat breakfast or lunch the next day before going home.
Both cities will be missing out on that additional vitality and the additional people that could have been downtown instead of in outlying areas.
Both are fine cities with green landscapes and I am only critiquing this one aspect, not "bashing".
At least it got the thread away from various word definitions that most of us already know and back to city topics. LOL!
I would have agreed with youwhen it was first announced that the Braves were moving form Downtown but due to recent developments,this will only aid Atlanta's vitallty.
Few points to make:
1.The Braves are near Cumberland but they still will have an Atlanta address.The zip code in that area is a shared one with Smyrna.
2.Turner Field has absolutely nothing around it in its immediate area.No shopping,no resturants and no attractions.So the vitality you speak of is a moot point.
The only thing the city is loosing,is the revenue from the taxes the Braves bring.Yes its a big loss but this is my next poit.
3)GSU is in talks to buy all of Turner Filed and the immediate parking lots to develop what will be the new center of their campus.
GSU plans to build Footnall and Baseball fields,Campus Housing and academic buildings in what it be millions of dollars invested in an area that has been blighted for years.
4)The city will have to pay NO money to develop this area.This is a major deal that can and will likely lead to a new vibrant downtown and section that has been so neglected for such a long time.
Better yet,the city will be making money on this deal.
I would have agreed with youwhen it was first announced that the Braves were moving form Downtown but due to recent developments,this will only aid Atlanta's vitallty.
Few points to make:
1.The Braves are near Cumberland but they still will have an Atlanta address.The zip code in that area is a shared one with Smyrna.
2.Turner Field has absolutely nothing around it in its immediate area.No shopping,no resturants and no attractions.So the vitality you speak of is a moot point.
The only thing the city is loosing,is the revenue from the taxes the Braves bring.Yes its a big loss but this is my next poit.
3)GSU is in talks to buy all of Turner Filed and the immediate parking lots to develop what will be the new center of their campus.
GSU plans to build Footnall and Baseball fields,Campus Housing and academic buildings in what it be millions of dollars invested in an area that has been blighted for years.
4)The city will have to pay NO money to develop this area.This is a major deal that can and will likely lead to a new vibrant downtown and section that has been so neglected for such a long time.
Better yet,the city will be making money on this deal.
I researched and was surprised to learn that it takes twenty minutes to walk from the nearest MARTA station to Turner Field. I was not necessarily making the case for the stadium to be built right at the Turner Field site. They could have built in another downtown location with more restaurant options. I am assuming there was no other good downtown site then and that is unfortunate.
Was just surprised they chose one 10 miles from downtown; that was all. That is less typical these days. Big plans regarding GSU are just that...big plans. Hope it all works out for that site and the college project you mentioned gets completed. No guarantees until that actually happens though. Given the city's recent successes with the new aquarium, etc, there is a good chance they will be done.
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I researched and was surprised to learn that it takes twenty minutes to walk from the nearest MARTA station to Turner Field. I was not necessarily making the case for the stadium to be built right at the Turner Field site. They could have built in another downtown location with more restaurant options. I am assuming there was no other good downtown site then and that is unfortunate.
Was just surprised they chose one 10 miles from downtown; that was all. That is less typical these days. Big plans regarding GSU are just that...big plans. Hope it all works out for that site and the college project you mentioned gets completed. No guarantees until that actually happens though. Given the city's recent successes with the new aquarium, etc, there is a good chance they will be done.
The other points you make are very good ones.
Apparently people that live 3000 miles away have no clue what is going on at GSU. The growth over the last few years has been explosive. None of these future plans are surprising to a local.
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