SunTrust Park Panorama from 07/13/16 (Atlanta, Snellville: 2013, renting, homes)

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Sure I can. When Atlanta stadium first opened it had dozens of businesses within a block or two of the stadium.

Want to see what it looks like after decades of being next to stadiums? The good news is, these old buildings will see use again as retail, restaurants, and bars after the Braves leave: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7368...7i13312!8i6656

Hey, at least we can look forward to some great murals on abandoned buildings next to STP in a few decades!

Don't get me wrong, trying to do a walkable mixed-use node is a great idea. But it is still not enough to off-set the damage done by the stadium. Regular businesses just cannot function off of 80 days of business a year. The positives from "the battery" are no better than the positives that will come from the development happening at 905 Memorial. And 905 Memorial won't have the negatives of the stadium.

You mean drive-to walkable, mixed use node. Battery Atlanta will barely engage any of the existing streets, it'll be just like Avalon and turn it's back to the surrounding streets/area and focus on it's private street, that Liberty Media can control.

[JoeTarheel]

People complaining about parking around stadiums should check almost every stadium that has been built in the last 50 years...they consistently have even more parking than Turner Field had - even NY, SF, and Chicago teams have it. It's a fact of life around these stadiums because more people drive than use transit. In the cities with the best transit systems people come from all over the region to see games and many have never set foot on public transit, so they have to plan for this and accommodate everyone so they can sell tickets.

I'm not sure how other people feel about deck parking for games, but I HATE sitting in line to get out when the game ends. I think it will cause more people to exit early. Whatever the situation, people usually perceive surface parking as easier/more convenient. I also don't see why they couldn't have wrapped that deck at SunTrust Stadium with businesses, or at least put them on one or two sides. It's ridiculous in today's world to build a parking deck that isn't hidden in some fashion.

[ATLondoner]

Originally Posted by David1502

How is that parking deck any worse than the acres of surface parking lots adjacent to Turner Field as seen here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ca...!4d-84.3878432


Many on this blog complain about surface lots and have said in other developments that a multi-level garage would be better (if parking is to be provided) - Well here it is.


Likewise, there have been many doomsday Armageddon predictions for SunTrust Park because of the lack of parking. Now, we see a multi-level garage being constructed, one of several.


In fact, the Atlanta Braves website state that there will be 6,000 parking spaces on the property: Parking | Atlanta Braves If you take into consideration, an average of 3 people per car, about half of the 40,000 seats can be accommodated on site. Often out of town groups come to the games in buses so that gets some of the crowd, too. The Cobb Galleria has a large garage which is available and will probably be available on most weekends. (During the week, I doubt if the Braves will sell out many games - their low ticket sales are the reason that Sun Trust Park will have 10,000 fewer seats.)


Going back to Turner Field. There have been surface parking lots along Capitol Avenue since 1965 (when the original Atlanta Fulton County Stadium was built) and I have never heard of an effort to remove them or build any garages. If the Braves had not made the decision to move to Cobb County, I can guarantee you that those lots would have continued and all of those complaining would not have said a peep about all of that asphalt - they were just happy to have the Braves nearby.


Now that the Braves are moving, the parking will take a lot less land and many are still complaining.

And you are forgetting all those folks that will arrive by train. Oh no wait.

[whodean]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Sure I can. When Atlanta stadium first opened it had dozens of businesses within a block or two of the stadium.

Want to see what it looks like after decades of being next to stadiums? The good news is, these old buildings will see use again as retail, restaurants, and bars after the Braves leave: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7368...7i13312!8i6656

Hey, at least we can look forward to some great murals on abandoned buildings next to STP in a few decades!

Don't get me wrong, trying to do a walkable mixed-use node is a great idea. But it is still not enough to off-set the damage done by the stadium. Regular businesses just cannot function off of 80 days of business a year. The positives from "the battery" are no better than the positives that will come from the development happening at 905 Memorial. And 905 Memorial won't have the negatives of the stadium.

You are blinded by your irrational hatred of this project.

There are successful businesses near other sports stadia throughout the world.

[JoeTarheel]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Want to see what it looks like after decades of being next to stadiums? The good news is, these old buildings will see use again as retail, restaurants, and bars after the Braves leave: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7368...7i13312!8i6656

I love that stretch of historic brick buildings on Georgia Avenue! t reminds me of Edgewood. I wasn't even sure it was still there, but I'm glad to hear that it is and may be brought back to live in the future.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by ATLondoner

And you are forgetting all those folks that will arrive by train. Oh no wait.

That would be all those folks who arrive at Turner field by train? Oh, no wait.

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Sure I can. When Atlanta stadium first opened it had dozens of businesses within a block or two of the stadium.

Want to see what it looks like after decades of being next to stadiums? The good news is, these old buildings will see use again as retail, restaurants, and bars after the Braves leave: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7368...7i13312!8i6656

Hey, at least we can look forward to some great murals on abandoned buildings next to STP in a few decades!

Don't get me wrong, trying to do a walkable mixed-use node is a great idea. But it is still not enough to off-set the damage done by the stadium. Regular businesses just cannot function off of 80 days of business a year. The positives from "the battery" are no better than the positives that will come from the development happening at 905 Memorial. And 905 Memorial won't have the negatives of the stadium.

Big difference: Turner Field is not in a directly-busy part of town. Never was. Suntrust Park is in a heavily-used part of town, with people piling into restaurants all up and down Cobb Parkway daily. The businesses there will see a lot more than just the 80 days of games.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

Big difference: Turner Field is not in a directly-busy part of town. Never was. Suntrust Park is in a heavily-used part of town, with people piling into restaurants all up and down Cobb Parkway daily. The businesses there will see a lot more than just the 80 days of games.

You're right, the two areas are not comparable.

A better question is why the city allowed the area around AFCS and Turner Field to languish for half a century.

[JoeTarheel]

Originally Posted by arjay57

You're right, the two areas are not comparable.

A better question is why the city allowed the area around AFCS and Turner Field to languish for half a century.

I think it was probably difficult to get investors interested in anything south of I20, but they could have/should have done a better job than they did. I think I heard that they were sort of held hostage by the owners of some of the parking lots nearby too, but it always sounded like there were significant road blocks to improving that area in any meaningful way.

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by arjay57

You're right, the two areas are not comparable.

A better question is why the city allowed the area around AFCS and Turner Field to languish for half a century.

To be fair, AFCS and even Turner Field were built in a time when mixed-use developments weren't all the rage.