Can the Westside avoid gentrification problems? (Atlanta, Douglas: condo, selling a house, luxury)

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

You are deliberately dodging my core question. How is someone who cannot afford to purchase or maintain a motor vehicle going to get around in the suburbs? You think Gwinnett Transit or CobbLinc will suffice??

Actually, the core question is if they can't afford it then why are they choosing to move to the suburbs? Tell me. That is what is happening so for that many people to be making that choice they seem to be able to afford it. For one the cost of living there is much less than in the city. Even for a 'poor' person.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by Larry X

Ill tell you why, white privilege, white people like to bully and control with their money rather intentionally or not, income/class is the new redlining. But you say class has to do with money not race, that's no true both are intertwined because alot more white people have a lot more money than black people due to black people being historically neglected from Government benefits and fair paying jobs.
If you want to limit the amount of black people that live in an area just raise the value to where most can't afford, most white people don't mind a few black people in their neighborhood.
This is why there is a need for affordable housing in gentrified or gentrifing areas, too keep high income white people from completely taking over the inner cities. Think about that, so many white people have so much more money compared to black people that they need to put policies in place to keep white people from completely taking over.

Larry, why was it ok for Blacks in the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's, and even now to be the majority in the city but now that Whites are moving back it is not ok for them to do such? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Actually, the core question is if they can't afford it then why are they choosing to move to the suburbs? Tell me.

That wasn't the question at all. How on earth did you change the question? The original question was "how are those forced out of their neighborhoods to the suburbs going to make do", and somehow, you've changed that to "why are they choosing to move to the suburbs?".

Even if living in the suburbs is cheaper, that very well might not make up for the transportation costs. Haven't you listened to the fabric? It costs almost a billion dollars per year to own a car! But no, really. If someone cannot afford a car, car insurance, and gas to drive 50 miles every day, you can't exactly chide them for going further downhill when they are forced out of an area with public transportation into a barren suburb.

[atlHawks]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Larry, why was it ok for Blacks in the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's, and even now to be the majority in the city but now that Whites are moving back it is not ok for them to do such? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?

And this is why I hate affordable housing.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

That wasn't the question at all. How on earth did you change the question? The original question was "how are those forced out of their neighborhoods to the suburbs going to make do", and somehow, you've changed that to "why are they choosing to move to the suburbs?".

Even if living in the suburbs is cheaper, that very well might not make up for the transportation costs. Haven't you listened to the fabric? It costs almost a billion dollars per year to own a car! But no, really. If someone cannot afford a car, car insurance, and gas to drive 50 miles every day, you can't exactly chide them for going further downhill when they are forced out of an area with public transportation into a barren suburb.

I didn't change the question I ANSWERED his question. The facts are people are leaving the in town neighborhoods for the suburbs. It isn't up for debate. So somehow some way people are making it work. Those 'forced' out who are renting are making do because the cost of living is lower. Those that are being 'forced' out who own are selling and obviously their money goes further in select suburbs than in the city. It is also very likely these places they are renting or buying have better schools and lower crime. Public transportation isn't just used by the 'poor'. Obviously those that rent be it poor or middle class are at a disadvantage than someone who owns and can (hopefully) make money on their home.

So the question of "how are those forced out of their neighborhoods to the suburbs going to make do" is being answered by the thousands of people who have left in town Atlanta for places like Gwinnett, Rockdale, Clayton, DeKalb, and even Henry counties. They are the proof that it can and does work. He shouldn't need me to answer that. There is proof. It is indeed working.

[Clayton white guy]

Clayton County Schools ARE NOT failing. When the governor released his "school take-over" list late last summer, how many Clayton County Schools were on it for being "low performing"? NONE; the same as adjacent Henry and Fayette Counties. Dekalb was actually the BIG loser with the lion's share followed by Atlanta Public Schools. Stop spreading the false narrative of "failing" Clayton County Schools that I and many of my neighbors feel are lying code words for being snobby about our school's ethnic demographics. Take US out of this discussion,

[ekman243]

Originally Posted by Clayton white guy

Clayton County Schools ARE NOT failing. When the governor released his "school take-over" list late last summer, how many Clayton County Schools were on it for being "low performing"? NONE; the same as adjacent Henry and Fayette Counties. Dekalb was actually the BIG loser with the lion's share followed by Atlanta Public Schools. Stop spreading the false narrative of "failing" Clayton County Schools that I and many of my neighbors feel are lying code words for being snobby about our school's ethnic demographics. Take US out of this discussion,

No matter how many times you correct them the next day they come right back and start spewing the same negative stereotypes which they really no nothing about. You may as well save your breath, they do this because they are really unhappy about their "real life" ( I guarantee you will never get to meet them and they will never take you up on your invitation to visit your church) and make themselves feel better about their fake anonymous lives by talking like they are better than others. But whats sad about all this is some of these people are old and still act like children. If you say lets meet or start a facebook group they would run so fast because they don't want you to know who they really are.I tell you keyboard experts are so brave.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Larry, why was it ok for Blacks in the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's, and even now to be the majority in the city but now that Whites are moving back it is not ok for them to do such? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?

umm no.... it wasn't gentrification that out priced whites out those neighborhoods, and up class blacks didn't move afterwards, this whole response is like a paradox.

It seem your completely missing the point, and again this highlight your real motive to defending gentrification.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by atlHawks

And this is why I hate affordable housing.

Yes because non affordable housing is the greatest smh,

I think your maybe trying to troll and meant you hate cheaper housing.

[Larry X]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Larry, why was it ok for Blacks in the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's, and even now to be the majority in the city but now that Whites are moving back it is not ok for them to do such? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?

Blacks didn't price whites out back then, they moved away and let black folk have South Atlanta.