1 dead, 3 injured in MARTA train shooting (purchases, college, legal)

[primaltech]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

If he wasn't suppose to have a gun, but had one anyway, it tells me said person won't obey the law. This person is a repeat criminal. Recidivism rates in the USA are kind of high. Living in Georgia, I understand that this is a "tough on crime" state. If being tough of this guy didn't stop him from committing an egregious offense, then there is a bigger problem, and it isn't so much about guns. Said person was a convicted felon. No gun allowed. He had the gun anyway. He won't learn to just live in this society as a law-abiding citizen. What do we do with people who refuse to obey the law no matter how many times they get imprisoned?

Well he was able to readily obtain a gun illegally, because that's easy to do in this country, because there are so many guns out there, which usually start out their life as legally purchased guns. So I think one angle is that we could perhaps try to make that more difficult.

But yeah, it's a lot of other angles.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by primaltech

Well he was able to readily obtain a gun illegally, because that's easy to do in this country, because there are so many guns out there, which usually start out their life as legally purchased guns. So I think one angle is that we could perhaps try to make that more difficult.

But yeah, it's a lot of other angles.

Alot of guns get stolen. Law abiding people want guns to protect themselves from criminals. Criminals want guns so that they can further their own criminal ways. Anyone willing to get a gun in an illegal way has other problems besides having a gun. His obtaining of a gun illegally is a symptom of other problems.

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

If he wasn't suppose to have a gun, but had one anyway, it tells me said person won't obey the law. This person is a repeat criminal. Recidivism rates in the USA are kind of high. Living in Georgia, I understand that this is a "tough on crime" state. If being tough of this guy didn't stop him from committing an egregious offense, then there is a bigger problem, and it isn't so much about guns. Said person was a convicted felon. No gun allowed. He had the gun anyway. He won't learn to just live in this society as a law-abiding citizen. What do we do with people who refuse to obey the law no matter how many times they get imprisoned?

There are felons in other countries too, and yet they still manage to keep guns out of their hands. Any argument against gun control doesn't hold water because there's nothing "special" about America that would lead it to have different results than every other country.

Will non law abiding citizens still try to get guns? Yes. Will it be as easy as it is now when you can stop at Walmart on the way home and buy a pistol? No.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by Forhall

There are felons in other countries too, and yet they still manage to keep guns out of their hands. Any argument against gun control doesn't hold water because there's nothing "special" about America that would lead it to have different results than every other country.

Will non law abiding citizens still try to get guns? Yes. Will it be as easy as it is now when you can stop at Walmart on the way home and buy a pistol? No.

And there are felons in many countries that manage to get guns, while the general population can't get them. El Salvador has strict gun laws. It has the highest murder rate in North America. Gangs don't care about the law, they just want to get guns and kill.

And back to our country. Vermont and New Hampshire have some of the most lenient gun laws in the nation. In New Hampshire, carrying a concealed gun no longer requires a permit. Those states have murder rates similar to Canada. It is easy to get guns in those states, but the murder rates have historically and still are very low. South Carolina and Louisiana have some of the highest murder rates in the nation, and this has been this way going back to antebellum days.

[1lifealex]

There were five murders investigated by marta in less than a year two of those murders actually happen in Cobb County and the bodies were dumped at a marta station so to me those two should not even count, now the other three I believe the guys that committed these murders we're going to no matter what it's like if I see you at Walmart I'm going to kill if I see you coming out of church services I'm going to kill if I see you walking down the street I'm going to kill that's the mentality I'm going to kill you wherever I see you

[magnetar]

Georgia legislators want kids to be able to bring guns to school. Are we suddenly squeamish about guns in public because of who's packing the heat?

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by magnetar

Georgia legislators want kids to be able to bring guns to school. Are we suddenly squeamish about guns in public because of who's packing the heat?

So 21+ year-old adults with concealed carry permits are "kids?" News to me.

[toll_booth]

Not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but you can legally carry on MARTA with a valid permit.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

And there are felons in many countries that manage to get guns, while the general population can't get them. El Salvador has strict gun laws. It has the highest murder rate in North America. Gangs don't care about the law, they just want to get guns and kill.

And back to our country. Vermont and New Hampshire have some of the most lenient gun laws in the nation. In New Hampshire, carrying a concealed gun no longer requires a permit. Those states have murder rates similar to Canada. It is easy to get guns in those states, but the murder rates have historically and still are very low. South Carolina and Louisiana have some of the highest murder rates in the nation, and this has been this way going back to antebellum days.

Maybe it's linked more to education attainment rates and GDP.

[angerissomeguyxx209]

Originally Posted by primaltech

Well he was able to readily obtain a gun illegally, because that's easy to do in this country, because there are so many guns out there, which usually start out their life as legally purchased guns. So I think one angle is that we could perhaps try to make that more difficult.

But yeah, it's a lot of other angles.

So everyone who has a gun legally doesn't commit crimes?

You might want to see the mass murders,if a person is gonna commit a crime,no law will stop them.Whether getting a gun legally or illegally.