Atlantic Station going downhill? (Atlanta, White: leases, mortgage, loan)

[tonygeorgia]

Can someone name ONE nightclub in AS?

[doraandspongebob]

Originally Posted by RandyWatson13

What school? GOod luck

my daughter is either attending Valdosta State university or UGA...thanks for asking.:-)

[doraandspongebob]

Originally Posted by suprascooby22

Receiving govt assistance shouldnt be looked at as being "lucky" or "blessed". It should be looked at and shunned as someone who I and ALL the other hard working tax payers have to pay for. The stigma that section 8, food stamps and welfare have are rightfully deserved and should act as a deterent from someone having to stick their hands out and ask for it in the first place. Bottomline is unless you are an invalid or seriously disabled you are STEALING from the rest of us! Your poor life choices are NOT my problem or anyone elses.

LOL....This is funny to me....At the time i applied..i needed it VERY badly and as you may not know there is a "lottery" system to this particular program.....Your social is put in and it is randomly drawn and then you are selected to receive asistance...So therefore,,i am BLESSED to have been selected for this program...The ability to save money because of the help i get from the government has helped me TREMENDIOUSLY in being able to send my daughter to college....also,,i AM NOT stealing from you,,i am a taxpayer myself so i guess i am stealing from myself.....:-)

[doraandspongebob]

Originally Posted by JPD

BS. If you've paid into the system, and you're only getting temporary assistance, it's not stealing. It's only stealing if you're abusing the system and have no intention of rising yourself to a level where you no longer need, and no longer accept the assistance.

YES!!!! thank you JBD:=))

[Bullbear]

Originally Posted by doraandspongebob

LOL....This is funny to me....At the time i applied..i needed it VERY badly and as you may not know there is a "lottery" system to this particular program.....Your social is put in and it is randomly drawn and then you are selected to receive asistance...So therefore,,i am BLESSED to have been selected for this program...The ability to save money because of the help i get from the government has helped me TREMENDIOUSLY in being able to send my daughter to college....also,,i AM NOT stealing from you,,i am a taxpayer myself so i guess i am stealing from myself.....:-)

Hilarious. If you are taking out MORE than you are putting IN, that is stealing. Unless you plan on paying extra above your taxes in the years ahead to make up the difference....LOL

No doubt, having someone else's money given to you by the govt is "helpful".

But you werent blessed. You were luckier than some others attempting to free load off the system. Sadly, that is the culture in a few places now, where maximizing the amount of "govt assistance" is a badge of honor. Meanwhile, in my world, nothing could be viewed with more shame and disdain that suckling freebies off the govt teat. But as I said, different cultures, different mores.

[RandyWatson13]

Originally Posted by suprascooby22

Receiving govt assistance shouldnt be looked at as being "lucky" or "blessed". It should be looked at and shunned as someone who I and ALL the other hard working tax payers have to pay for. The stigma that section 8, food stamps and welfare have are rightfully deserved and should act as a deterent from someone having to stick their hands out and ask for it in the first place. Bottomline is unless you are an invalid or seriously disabled you are STEALING from the rest of us! Your poor life choices are NOT my problem or anyone elses.

I love when people pick and choose what federal assistance is bad. Section 8 is squat in the budget, a very miniscule item on it.

How about those bailouts? Are you saying banks and wall st. should be shunned and looked at with disgust?

What about GM and Chrysler?

What about earmarks from the government?

Its amazing to me people love to pick on people who need some "help" but are using it wisely to better themselves. Meanwhile they ignore the BILLIONS business gets in "assistance".

So really just stop.

[RandyWatson13]

Originally Posted by Bullbear

Hilarious. If you are taking out MORE than you are putting IN, that is stealing. Unless you plan on paying extra above your taxes in the years ahead to make up the difference....LOL

No doubt, having someone else's money given to you by the govt is "helpful".

But you werent blessed. You were luckier than some others attempting to free load off the system. Sadly, that is the culture in a few places now, where maximizing the amount of "govt assistance" is a badge of honor. Meanwhile, in my world, nothing could be viewed with more shame and disdain that suckling freebies off the govt teat. But as I said, different cultures, different mores.

Maybe that is the point. If she is in school and graduates and who knows where they will be in the future they might just hit the 40% tax bracket. Not everyone getting assistance is a bum.

Again are you looking at companies and people who get earmarks and bailouts and oh "classy welfare" with the same eye? Probably not.

I got it, poor people needing help and getting it= shameful
Rich people needing help and getting it= awesome

[Bullbear]

Originally Posted by RandyWatson13

Maybe that is the point. If she is in school and graduates and who knows where they will be in the future they might just hit the 40% tax bracket. Not everyone getting assistance is a bum.

Again are you looking at companies and people who get earmarks and bailouts and oh "classy welfare" with the same eye? Probably not.

I got it, poor people needing help and getting it= shameful
Rich people needing help and getting it= awesome

You are putting words in my mouth. Please dont do that.

I abhored the corporate bailouts. Those co's that couldnt hack it should have gone down. Personally, I will never do business with any of them again. Never.

But also keep in mind -- those bank bailouts stabilized the ENTIRE FINANCIAL SYSTEM. It wasnt a matter of helping a few fatcats. And with the car companies, thousands of jobs were saved for just regular folk who worked there or at suppliers, etc. Im not condoning it, but I am saying that the picture you paint of it benefitting only a few "rich people" is wholly and entirely inaccurate.

Public assistance is not compatible with a truly free market system. If people want to fund private organizations or charities that do so that would be their choice and their freedom to do so. But the govt forcibly taking money from one group and giving it to another is purely and soley wealth redistribution. It is anathema to the principles upon which this country was founded.

[RandyWatson13]

Originally Posted by Bullbear

You are putting words in my mouth. Please dont do that.

I abhored the corporate bailouts. Those co's that couldnt hack it should have gone down. Personally, I will never do business with any of them again. Never.

But also keep in mind -- those bank bailouts stabilized the ENTIRE FINANCIAL SYSTEM. It wasnt a matter of helping a few fatcats. And with the car companies, thousands of jobs were saved for just regular folk who worked there or at suppliers, etc. Im not condoning it, but I am saying that the picture you paint of it benefitting only a few "rich people" is wholly and entirely inaccurate.

Public assistance is not compatible with a truly free market system. If people want to fund private organizations or charities that do so that would be their choice and their freedom to do so. But the govt forcibly taking money from one group and giving it to another is purely and soley wealth redistribution. It is anathema to the principles upon which this country was founded.

There is no truly free market system, that is reality.

So let us get this right. ITs okay to take our taxpayer money to save and reward the people that ruined the financial system at the cost of nearly a trillion dollars but we can't give an American in school trying to make a better life for their family maybe $1500 a month in assistance.

Don't pick and choose "wealth redistribution" when you want to hate on poor people or people that need help. THERE WAS NO GREATER WEALTH DISTRIBUTION THAN THE BAILOUTS.

What this country was founded on? Yeah slavery. Oh that was free market?

[Bullbear]

Originally Posted by RandyWatson13

There is no truly free market system, that is reality.

So let us get this right. ITs okay to take our taxpayer money to save and reward the people that ruined the financial system at the cost of nearly a trillion dollars but we can't give an American in school trying to make a better life for their family maybe $1500 a month in assistance.

Don't pick and choose "wealth redistribution" when you want to hate on poor people or people that need help. THERE WAS NO GREATER WEALTH DISTRIBUTION THAN THE BAILOUTS.

What this country was founded on? Yeah slavery. Oh that was free market?

Oh lord. The country was FOUNDED on slavery? Slavery was THE FOUNDING principle of this country? That was why the pilgrims came here - because of slavery? If you believe that your view of history is GROSSLY distorted.

The reality is that because people, usually via the govt, have distorted the free market system with publicly financed safety nets and unsustainable retirement programs (SS, union pensions etc), there is no free market now. The TRUTH is that anything not based 99% on free markets is ultimately destined for failure. Dont blame me. Blame mother nature. Its the way the system was designed by whoever/whatever created us from that first single amoeba.

Jealousy and envy are really awful things. The point was not to "reward" anyone for nearly destroying the financial system. The point was to make it so that its destruction did not drag the entire system, including every man, woman and child, with it. Do you get it? The bailoluts benefitted EVERYBODY, in that sense. Although most of us, including ME, did not directly receive one DIME from the bailout, we benefitted when our financial assets were suddenly not worth ZERO. Get it? It was a system-wide bailout. The bailouts were not designed so thay any ONE person would benefit. They were desinged so that the next day we could ALL buy bread at the grocery store.

People who want to "make a better life for their family" can do so without suckling from the govt teat. Its been done before you know, where somebody succeeeded without freebie handouts taken from other people. If you have a family that you cant afford or support, then you already screwed up. Why is that our/my problem so that we also have to fund your lifestyle? Maybe I should go over and vacuum their floors? I mean, they just need a little rest so they can make a better life for their family. And Ive got the free time. Shouldnt those with more free time be required to give it to those who dont have it? Its only "fair".

I dont know why slavery is being mentioned here (yet again), other than people grasping at straws for why they "deserve" handouts as if they are some sort of reparations they are OWED.

The US is the country it is today because of the system of free market capitalism and democracy on which it was FOUNDED. The closer we adhere to those founding principles the more successful we will be and the longer we will enjoy the wonderful bounty it creates. When we abandon those PRINCIPLES for some sort of watered down version of socialism/communism we endanger everything.

Besides I already said I DO NOT endorse the bailouts. I wish they had not happened. Dont ask me to defend them. They were an abomination of free market principles. GOVERNMENT people made that decision.