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Old 10-17-2008, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Barack Obama and because of his color but more so his background and upbringing as an American in a lower class, was able to show the world that the American Dream that people only heard about but never seen on this level can be where he is.If you look at the news of this subject worldwide,people from every nation overwhelmingly see his election as a positive step for Americans.It really has nothing to do with what kind of leader he is.No western country as powerful as the U.S. in the history of the world has ever had a leader from the minority class become its leader.
It does at least 2 things:
1)Shows those who never believed,voted or participated in our government because they never in THEIR mind could see that we are apart of this country

2)We as a country stand behind what our creed is.We are a country of endless possibilities and we stand on the side of whats right and its not just about money and greed.There are still people who think it will not happen world wide because they believe this country to talk more than its actions.
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Old 10-18-2008, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I took the OP's advice and sent an e-mail to Congressman Lewis. I thanked him for his remarks. This white guy considers John Lewis to be an American hero, by the way. I can no longer vote for him now that I don't live in the City, but I will always support him.
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Old 10-18-2008, 12:35 PM
 
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Barack Obama and because of his color but more so his background and upbringing as an American in a lower class, was able to show the world that the American Dream that people only heard about but never seen on this level can be where he is.
I disagree with this part: I would say it is less Barack's socioeconomic status (he was not raised lower class) - for a good chunk of his young life he did attend an expensive private school in Hawaii, however, he as a young biracial boy faced a lot of difficulties growing up in a broken family with parents from very different worlds. Obama also attended very elite colleges as well. His rise from relative obscurity to the Democratic candidate is remarkable, though.

But I do agree with some of the rest of your post, someone like Obama from a very unique and unusual family background will most likely win the Presidency. His campaign for President has brought excitement to a fair number of democratic and independent-minded voters out there. I don't think an Obama Presidency will change much at all. Washington will be business as usual. More people participating in voting is a good thing overall, but change, no, I don't see much of that at all. I would rather be wrong, but time will tell.
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Old 10-18-2008, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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I disagree with this part: I would say it is less Barack's socioeconomic status (he was not raised lower class) - for a good chunk of his young life he did attend an expensive private school in Hawaii, however, he as a young biracial boy faced a lot of difficulties growing up in a broken family with parents from very different worlds. Obama also attended very elite colleges as well. His rise from relative obscurity to the Democratic candidate is remarkable, though.

But I do agree with some of the rest of your post, someone like Obama from a very unique and unusual family background will most likely win the Presidency. His campaign for President has brought excitement to a fair number of democratic and independent-minded voters out there. I don't think an Obama Presidency will change much at all. Washington will be business as usual. More people participating in voting is a good thing overall, but change, no, I don't see much of that at all. I would rather be wrong, but time will tell.
He did receive a superior education but his mom struggle after his stepdad died.His grandparents were not wealthy either.No you are right i don't believe he is the one to make all our problems go away.I do think he is capable to stabilize and at least not make things worse.That does not say much about what we have to choose from in our politics.Nonetheless all Americans no matter what color, should be proud
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:33 PM
 
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Part of the problem is that blacks are coming from the stand point that its not just WORDS or Phrasing.Its actions.White people have power overall in the past and presence to turn it into action.You know that there are still people many in power that are in the U.S.senate that were racist and are still making laws today?Tell me when did Jesse Jackson,Al Sharpton ever have that power?I don't agree some of their tactics either.But you act like anything they can ever do can equal that of this countries racial inequalities.Until you are a victim you cannot wash all people and say we are all just making stuff up to get sympathy.Black people would not have made it through slavery,nor jim crow if they were that sensitive.Jesse Jackson,Al Sharpton were created out of necceseity.That you forget.They did not just show up one day and started calling eveyone racist.
I have never disagreed with you and said that there are TOO many people(black) using race as a reason for all their misforturnes.There are and unfortunately they make those who work hardlook bad when they have legitimate claims.Just like a rape victim that lies and says she was raped when she was just mad at man,it makes the rest of the women look like liars when they report it.Does this mean there is no rape?Should they just shut up and bite the bullet because some like you will"say they are tired of women playing the "RAPE CARD"?
If you are not black how can you know you is truthful and who is not?Is that not a form of prejudice to PRE-JUDGE one race as all being liars just because you cannot understand or believe that what many say are happening?

The fact is its not really those in the inner city that are making the charge of racism.Many of them do not see white people at all in an average day.Its those of us that have gone to school made the grades,enter colleges and the workforce and see how the inner office dealings play out.I agree this is notW 1965 but the legacy of good habits and bad habits are always brought down to the presence.So what would you have us that have legitimate concerns do?Shut up and take it?Get over it?Would you if it were you?

OMG you have to watch everything you say!!Some people are above reproach because they have done the foot work or assisted people who are truly in need or suffering.When you do nothing but complain and do not help the situation then you become just as much the problem.This is true for blacks that accept certain behaviors from some people.Cynthia Mckinney popularaty decline by blacks too,but like some racist white politicians in Georgia they each had enough support to win.


Bottom line is two wrongs don't make it right.
Good argument, and I see what you're saying. Unfortunately, that's not how it's played out day to day.

My only disagreement with the above is the fact that Jackson and Sharpton DO have power, that's how they got the meeting with the Braves. Moore (i.e. racist columnist for AJC) is always complaining how there's not enough AA's on the team, not Black or of color, but AA's.

I don't see the Hawks, nor the Falcons, sitting down with the KKK trying to figure out how to get more Whites on the team.

As far as watching what I say, that's the point. I have to 'watch', others don't b/c there's no reprieussions from it.

We could keep arguing but I'm done, enough said on my end, you and I could obviously do this non-stop.

Good conversation and thank you for your constructive criticism and not just calling me a racist like so many others do
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Old 10-20-2008, 03:30 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Good argument, and I see what you're saying. Unfortunately, that's not how it's played out day to day.

My only disagreement with the above is the fact that Jackson and Sharpton DO have power, that's how they got the meeting with the Braves. Moore (i.e. racist columnist for AJC) is always complaining how there's not enough AA's on the team, not Black or of color, but AA's.

I don't see the Hawks, nor the Falcons, sitting down with the KKK trying to figure out how to get more Whites on the team.

As far as watching what I say, that's the point. I have to 'watch', others don't b/c there's no reprieussions from it.

We could keep arguing but I'm done, enough said on my end, you and I could obviously do this non-stop.

Good conversation and thank you for your constructive criticism and not just calling me a racist like so many others do
We do agree on one thing ,and that's because we both know that right is right and wrong is wrong.I suggest we continue to call ANYONE out when they are wrong and that way we are above reproach because we are not selective in our approach to these issues in the future .Thank you as well.

P.s.KILL WHITEY LOL.
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Old 10-20-2008, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Atlanta,Ga
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Good argument, and I see what you're saying. Unfortunately, that's not how it's played out day to day.

My only disagreement with the above is the fact that Jackson and Sharpton DO have power, that's how they got the meeting with the Braves. Moore (i.e. racist columnist for AJC) is always complaining how there's not enough AA's on the team, not Black or of color, but AA's.

I don't see the Hawks, nor the Falcons, sitting down with the KKK trying to figure out how to get more Whites on the team.

As far as watching what I say, that's the point. I have to 'watch', others don't b/c there's no reprieussions from it.

We could keep arguing but I'm done, enough said on my end, you and I could obviously do this non-stop.

Good conversation and thank you for your constructive criticism and not just calling me a racist like so many others do
I don't think you are a racist, you are just sharing your perspective.
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Old 10-20-2008, 06:57 AM
 
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I agree with John Lewis remarks. I have total respect for that man, if it was not for him and others, there would be no civil rights for minorities.
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