04-09-2010, 09:00 AM
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I have a question and would love an honest answer! I have moved a lot and I have found that many times you can tell a really good school system by the strength of it's middle school. I believe middle school is a very difficult time for most kids. Most posts on this board list City Schools of Decatur as being somewhat better than the Grady cluster. However, when you go to Greatschools.net (all I really have to go by) Grady and Decatur High are both a score of 8; basically equal. But, when you look at Inman vs Renfroe, Inman is a 10 and Renfroe an 8. I would conclude that the Grady cluster is stronger due to the strength of Inman Middle school. I might be moving and my son is in 7th grade. So, the Middle School is extremely important to me at this point. Any thoughts would be great. (I also like the housing options better in Inman park and VaHi.) My child's current middle school is rated a 9 on greatschools, FYI.
04-09-2010, 09:12 AM
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I don't think that there is a 'wrong' answer here. Both schools are good. I would personally give a bit of an edge to Inman, however.
04-09-2010, 09:58 AM
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Yes, I would say Inman is stronger than Renfroe as well...but Renfroe is still good/decent!
04-09-2010, 09:53 PM
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I live in Decatur and think Renfroe is generally great (I have a kid there). However, Decatur has this weird thing going on with the administration where they are endlessly "innovating." All this constant change prevents the school system from really taking off like it could if they were to quit trying to have the "next great thing" and spend a little time just supporting plain old teaching. Not every fad and brand name is worth taking on.
04-09-2010, 11:04 PM
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I live in Candler Park (next door to Inman Park) and my son is in the Grady cluster. Like you, I anticipate middle school being...problematic. IMO, it's more about the age of the kids (hormones! preteens!) than anything. When I was growing up I went to a K-12 school so my parents are completely helpless in this situation (when I ask how they dealed).
04-10-2010, 06:34 AM
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Like you, I anticipate middle school being...problematic. IMO, it's more about the age of the kids (hormones! preteens!) than anything.
I couldn't agree more. It amazes me that some people seem to think that middle school problems could be eliminated by just folding the middle grades back into elementary schools. Since my child went through middle school in recent years (she's now a high school sophomore), I can report that the 11-14 age bracket is a difficult transitional time of life when most people are not at their best.
Anyway, this is a bit off topic. Sounds like there are no bad choices in the schools the OP is considering.
04-10-2010, 06:37 AM
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Through all my years, I have met no one that really loves their children's middle school, heck most parents have a hard time even loving their midddle schoolers!
At this age, test scores only tell part of the picture. School climate is extremely important. I suspect both these schools are fine, but you might want to visit to make sure.
Many years ago, I had a friend who had an only child. When he was in preschool, she was trying to decide whether to go public or private. Her husband, after seeing what a rat race the whole admissions thing was, declared that if it was private, it had to be a k-12 school. My friend said you would go to the open house and the admission officials would talk about elementary and brag about their high school. She would then get in car and realized no on mentioned middle school.
It is a difficult age. I happen to think it is a flawed model, but it is what we have right now.
04-10-2010, 06:48 AM
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Thanks for all the replies! Yes, I think Middle School is a flawed model as well. And, yes, it is the most difficult time for kids. That is why I always look to the middle school in a system to see how they handle that age group. Inman must be doing something right! (I personally think middle schools are just too large. Maybe we should have smaller middle schools in a system like we have elementary schools. Or, smaller schools within the middle schools.) Again, thanks for the advice!
04-10-2010, 09:07 AM
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Thanks for all the replies! Yes, I think Middle School is a flawed model as well. And, yes, it is the most difficult time for kids. That is why I always look to the middle school in a system to see how they handle that age group. Inman must be doing something right! (I personally think middle schools are just too large. Maybe we should have smaller middle schools in a system like we have elementary schools. Or, smaller schools within the middle schools.) Again, thanks for the advice!
Inman is an ENORMOUS school. Renfroe serves the entire public middle school population of the City of Decatur but is still significantly smaller than Inman (according to figures I found online Inman = 730, Renfroe = 499). I suggest you visit both schools and see which one feels like the best fit for your family.
04-11-2010, 10:59 AM
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I ditto Intown... didn't mean to gripe on Renfroe, it's really one of the best middle schools in the state... I just get a little tired of "innovation" after years and years of it. The Decatur system is small which is a huge benefit. Everyone knows everyone, and the system is nimble so it can adapt quickly as things around it change. They are also riding out this recession in much better shape than their surrounding systems. They can also innovate easily... another a good thing so long as they don't get carried away.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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I couldn't agree more. It amazes me that some people seem to think that middle school problems could be eliminated by just folding the middle grades back into elementary schools. Since my child went through middle school in recent years (she's now a high school sophomore), I can report that the 11-14 age bracket is a difficult transitional time of life when most people are not at their best.
