09-10-2010, 05:57 PM
Location: Austin
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We sorta got into a new thread at the end of the amusement park one, and I think this would be a good actual thread..the gist of it is, evidentally a light rail train from SA to Austin was in the works for 20 years and STILL has not been built...Should there be one? Would it not be infinitely more pleasant for businesspeople to avoid "fighting fumes" on I-35? Wouldn't it be cool to take it for the afternoon and hang out at the riverwalk, and come back when its still light out? Not to mention the environmental impact of less CO on I-35...
Here is the link a CD person posted per the organization that is trying to put it together...
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09-10-2010, 06:16 PM
Location: 78731
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A little beyond what you posted, but...
09-10-2010, 06:48 PM
Location: Austin
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thesonofgray
A little beyond what you posted, but...
SOG, are you a good organizer? We should get together and create something on that theme..at least something that gets people talking.
Call it an organization, a group, whatever gets people talkin' about that. Sounds fantastic....could loop around all the 4 metros!...SA and Austin are essentially sister cities, so it would be easy....I think you would have to do it in pieces, like they do with some metro bike trails..where I'm from, they could not get 100% Eminent on property right away, so bought and built what they could..now its 100%, and you would never know that at one time there was trouble getting it off the ground!
Sounds really good, SOG....would make that a new thread, but I think we can safely incorporate it into this one, as the Austin/SA leg would be a part of the same...
09-11-2010, 07:29 AM
Location: Central Texas
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thesonofgray
A little beyond what you posted, but...
The reason why not is that conventional high speed rail would cost at least $100M per mile to build. Mag-lev costs more.
Add in all the very sticky land acquisition issues and this becomes an enormously difficult idea to execute.
I always thought high speed rail in Texas (Houston/Dallas/SA especiall) would be a fantastic thing to have. But the costs are staggering.
09-11-2010, 07:47 AM
Location: central Austin
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The costs are staggering and Southwest Airlines has (in the past) and would (in the future) put a lot of money into lobbying state officials to make sure that type of rail is never built in Texas.
09-11-2010, 09:04 AM
Location: Austin
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The reason why not is that conventional high speed rail would cost at least $100M per mile to build. Mag-lev costs more.
Is building out x-ways any cheaper in the long run? The costs to build out interstates and spurs are staggering as well, and thats not including maintainance costs for resurfacing every few years!
09-11-2010, 09:14 AM
Location: Great State of Texas
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We got Amtrak..but they lease the freight lines so you are at the mercy of freight .
09-11-2010, 09:18 AM
Location: Austin
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HappyTexan
We got Amtrak..but they lease the freight lines so you are at the mercy of freight .
That Leander light rail was also at the mercy of freight....prob part of the reason it never fully got off the ground....prob why we would need our own mag-lev type overhead tracks...why can't Austin have a giant one circling the entire metro? That would be great if we could be the first city to do that!
09-11-2010, 10:13 AM
Location: 78731
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Quote:
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hoffdano
The reason why not is that conventional high speed rail would cost at least $100M per mile to build. Mag-lev costs more.
Ya, I know. They are in the process, though, of developing some cheaper rail sections - maybe $10M instead of $40-60M
for the maglev rail only . But no matter what it'd be enormously expensive. So would any high speed rail. (By comparison, SH130 costs about $35M per mile turnkey.)
But...what isn't enormously expensive these days? Our state and country can't sustain its infrastructure with a Wal-Mart mentality forever.
I estimate about a 700 mile triangle between the 4 major metropolitan areas in Texas. At an estimated cost of $120M per mile, that would total $84B. Considering an investment of this magnitude would take place over multiple decades, the only thing missing is the political will.
Speaking of transportation funding, Texas is ass-backwards to begin with. Here's a nice little concise summary:
Candor needed on TxDOT funds
Edit: To give a little more perspective, a "triangular" route through Austin, San Antonio, Houston, and DFW would put more than 17M Texans within about 90 minutes of each other. How cool is that?
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09-11-2010, 10:41 AM
Location: Austin, TX
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The only thing missing are tax payers willing to pay for a service that is NOT in demand. Capital Metro currently can't afford to run what limited system it has here in Austin. If there wasn't enough demand to keep the existing Amtrak route open from Austin to SA, how could it possibly pay for light rail?
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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