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Old 11-23-2014, 08:54 AM
 
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Affordability is a big problem that many under thirty cannot afford or undertake massive debt to do so. The term Generation Rent has come into use in recent times as a result of the massively over inflated housing market.

Most sales in recent times are going to investors both domestic and overseas and it is creating a number of issues on the domestic front. One thing is foreign, usually Chinese out bidding locals in order to park money into real estate away from authorities there.
Even developers are being outbid for land by up to 25% by Chinese developers building apartments to sell abroad. With high land prices on top it is resulting in Australia being the third most expensive in the world the last time I looked.
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Old 11-23-2014, 02:20 PM
 
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I agree with you. I suppose my real concern is the housing shortage in general. .
There is no housing shortage, its a media perpetuated myth, same myth perpetuated throughout the OECD, ask a American, Irish, Spanish or Greek person!

Australia has some of the lowest "people per house" on the planet, and at the same time amongst the world largest new homes.

Australian 2011 Census - Expanding household size | id


Why do people still believe this shortage myth?
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Old 11-23-2014, 02:40 PM
 
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There is no housing shortage, its a media perpetuated myth, same myth perpetuated throughout the OECD, ask a American, Irish, Spanish or Greek person!

Australia has some of the lowest "people per house" on the planet, and at the same time amongst the world largest new homes.

Australian 2011 Census - Expanding household size | id


Why do people still believe this shortage myth?
Australia has never really had a huge explosion in the number of houses been built, which might be part of the reason the bubble has not burst yet.

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/wp-c....-17-11.46.gif

This is what happened in Ireland.

http://www.globalpropertyguide.com/t...nstruction.gif
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Old 11-23-2014, 03:01 PM
 
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Australia has never really had a huge explosion in the number of houses been built, which might be part of the reason the bubble has not burst yet.

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/wp-c....-17-11.46.gif

This is what happened in Ireland.

http://www.globalpropertyguide.com/t...nstruction.gif
Keep in mind that Australia has more than 5x the population of Ireland, the 90,000 dwellings the Irish constructed in 2006, would be the equivalent of Australia constructing almost 500,000 dwellings in a single year, about 125,000 a quarter.
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Old 11-23-2014, 03:02 PM
 
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It looks like steady, sustained growth to me. Australia was the only first world country not to suffer from the economic downturn caused by the GFC.
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Old 11-23-2014, 06:37 PM
 
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Australia has some of the lowest "people per house" on the planet, and at the same time amongst the world largest new homes.

Australian 2011 Census - Expanding household size | id


Why do people still believe this shortage myth?
How do those two facts disprove the housing shortage theory?
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Old 11-23-2014, 06:40 PM
 
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Keep in mind that Australia has more than 5x the population of Ireland, the 90,000 dwellings the Irish constructed in 2006, would be the equivalent of Australia constructing almost 500,000 dwellings in a single year, about 125,000 a quarter.
At one point in Ireland housing starts were higher than for the UK. A country with ~15x it's population. The effect of the house shortages are visually observable in Sydney with young families queuing for hours when new land is released. The point is made from that chart from MB that you posted. Housing starts in Australia are lower now than they were in 1988.
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Old 11-23-2014, 06:52 PM
 
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Further to my previous post, the point was that Australia's housing bubble is different from that in Ireland and Spain, in that both of them had a large increase in prices at the same time their was also a large increase in supply. Australia has had it's increase in prices without adjustment on the supply side, which might go part of the way to explaining why we have not seen a downward movement in prices that Spain and Ireland experienced.

I don't believe Australia has a national shortage as such, just a shortage in certain parts of the country.

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Old 11-23-2014, 07:15 PM
 
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I don't believe Australia has a national shortage as such, just a shortage in certain parts of the country.
Sydney is undersupplied. Melbourne has a glut of apartments. Part of the problem is Sydney's super restrictive planning laws. Why is Centrepoint still considered the height ceiling for all other buildings in Sydney?
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Old 11-23-2014, 07:35 PM
 
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Sydney is undersupplied. Melbourne has a glut of apartments. Part of the problem is Sydney's super restrictive planning laws. Why is Centrepoint still considered the height ceiling for all other buildings in Sydney?
I think we are likely to see a glut of apartments up here soon as well.

In Brisbane the height limit is 275m the airport claims anything above that will interfere with it's radar.

No doubt the location of Sydney's airport has something to do with the cities height limit as well. Tullamarine airport of course is a good distance further from the CBD than both the Sydney and Brisbane Airports.

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